3332:: The implication of WP:TIES does seem to be that since it took place in Canada it should follow Canadian norms. The argument that it was a campaign which was important to the later USA cuts both ways – the ultimate loss of the southern colonies in America was a major turning point for Britain as well. Though the issue can be seen as even more complicated: all the parties involved were, of course, British at the time (except the natives, who were by now on the margins, and had quite different languages anyway) - and the events took place long before Noah Webster's campaign to differentiate US English from British English, which led to most of the differences in spelling &c. But I am an inveterate conservative in these matters – and I confess that I do have a preference for "American War of Independence" rather than "Revolutionary War", since it doesn't seem to have disturbed the local notables to the extent that the English, French and Russian revolutions did...
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Province of New York when they took Ticonderoga. And since many canadien welcomed and helped the american and the american were absolutely NOT attacking them, I continue to think that invasion is a british point of view. But I can live with that since most historian, even american, accept it. The large amount of troop in the Province of Quebec is not irrelevant to the fact that all pro-american voice suddently stopped, and it was not simply because they suddently fell in love with the british. The investigation of pro-american militias is not irrelevant to the fact that the american were equiped by them. The report is written after the siege about the help that occurs before and during the siege. On all else I did not comment, I agree with your comments.
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previously and allready occupied by the british. It was under martial law from the start. In 1778, the militias were disarmed by
Haldimand (from Clément Gosselin report to Congress). The canadien refused to help the british side and Carleton had many problem because of it. Burgoyne's army was half german, it should also be mentioned. And it was 3 times more then the 4 000 you stated.
1945:, it contains what is one of the most detailed accounts of Arnold's travel through Maine that I have read. (By the way, I find errors in history books quite often -- usually an author is wrong about some part of the story that was not his main focus, and that he did not research as carefully as the parts that he cared about.)
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This is much more likely to be found in an
American High School classroom than an Canadian one. As for clubbing baby seals, I suppose we could show Brits clubbing grey squirrels on Guy Fawkes or something as well. And the Burning of Washington for the next President's Day (the only battle a President
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To the eyes of one neutral contributor and reader as myself, this is a non-issue. I'm French and a native French-speaker. I use
Knowledge EN because I see it as the most International and complete version of the Encyclopedy, more that the French version. Knowledge has many standards and rules, as you
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To answer your question more specificaly, you can talk about
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When Arnold arrived in Saint-Joseph the canadien sold them flour, cows and offer to drive them in their boat. A women sang Yankee Doodle and danced when she learned they were american. Canadien from Lévis refusing to take arm against the american asked Arnold to come quickly to their town. (P. 416 of
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Carleton declared martial law in June 1775. This should be mentioned in the
Background (not the Aftermath) of this article, but its effects throughout the province should be documented in the other article. (The declaration obviously had effects in Quebec City that need to be documented here, along
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Every account I have read so far paints the
Canadiens as being largely neutral, although generally friendly toward the Americans, and willing to provide some level of support. But relatively few wanted to take up arms (witness Livingston's and Hazen's recruitment results). Things then began to look
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There is much missing from this and other articles about the
American Revolution in Quebec, particularly with respect to the participation of the inhabitants on one side or the other. I'm not denying that American sympathizers were essentially expelled from the city (or that it could have more space
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I've reverted these contributions. I want it to be clear that there is probably value in what was added -- however, the paragraph you added to the article lead contains information that is better placed either somewhere else in the article, or in a different article. You added three sentences, each
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It's not just an issue of leaving it alone. It should have always been Canadian English. I won't edit war. Evidently, the process for Featured Article review is broken, in the specific matter that it doesn't include agreement on the variety of English. However, as this educated American sees it,
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Based on the spelling used here, I think the British/Canadians must have actually lost the battle, because apparently we now spell "American" style. Since this is a British/Canadian victory on British/Canadian soil, could we not use British/Canadian spelling (defence in particular)? I'm fine with
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assigments of either the 7th (aka the Fusiliers), 8th, or 26th (the only regiments that I'm aware of that had troops in the province in 1775) to Quebec at the time of this battle. Most of these troops were at St. Jean or frontier posts, and I'm not aware of the composition of any regulars left at
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Arnold's arrival, P2, S1 (minor point): Arnold is reported as outnumbered 1,200 to 600, but later (in Siege, P1) a ratio three to one is used. For internal consistency, it might make sense to say Arnold was outnumbered two to one here to parallel that later figure; In this case both the 1,200 figure
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I am also aware of the makeup and general count of the troops that arrived in 1776. They did not arrive all at once, and I think only some were used to drive the Americans back to Ticonderoga, with the rest following behind. The British were limited in their offensive by the ships they had on Lake
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Arnold was never (as far as I know) at Sorel, especially not during the march to Quebec City. Perhaps your source meant Montgomery, or a different location on the Chaudière? (I know that sources I have read indicate that the habitants helped Arnold's men on the lower parts of the Chaudière, but it
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Arnold refused to give up and—despite being outnumbered by three to one—lay siege to Quebec, despite the sub-freezing temperature of the winter and the mass desertions of his men after their enlistments expired on January 1,1776. By March 1776, the first American reinforcements arrived which brought
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The word American is used many times in a wrong manner. None of the sides are American. Or both of the sides are American. The English side was more American, if the logic of Political science is strictly used. The so-called American side was only a mix of Continental Europeans with some footing in
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be qualified; there seems to be a refreshingly small number of over-enthusiastic contributing editors who have never travelled more than 50 miles (80 km) from the place where they were born... and have a corresponding perspective. (Just as an aside, if you read many of the previous entries on this
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Like many articles on Knowledge, it's Canada-centric and exaggerates the importance of Canada and Canada's role in the world. (In this case it thankfully only manages a Canada name-drop). It's a typical Canada-centric article in that it manages to find a strained Canadian angle on a subject that
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I'm with HotStop on this one , in that no variant has stronger ties than the other to the subject-matter, that being an assault by American forces during the American Revolutionary War on a Canadian city defended by the British Army. The fact that the battlefield is in Canada may militate in favor
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I will not make other changes for now, but I'm working on the whole revolution and I will come back later. In the meantime I would suggest the use of more neutral word. The pro-american were not collabo (a bad word in french meaning sell-out). Climax is too strong for such a small scale attack that
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Refusing to report under the treat of martial law is not neutrality. Joining the american in great number (like 747 in the Quebec region alone) is not neutrality either. The entire Province of Quebec had only 90 000 people, it was a small village. Reading the opinion of letters of that time doesn't
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In the previous post I failed to address this question. What changed the war in favor of the British was the arrival of 13 600 british and german, not the failed attack at Quebec. The 4 000 troops of Sullivan could have won later. The climax was the fall of Saint-Jean, Chambly and Montreal, not the
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I also note that you have not answered my questions about the motivation and timing of Pélissier's activities (which I know your source does not provide answers for). If his work was done at Montgomery's request, for example, his activities are best described in the appropriate chronological place
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The current version of the article relies heavily on one source – so much so that it may have been transcribed directly from that source, potentially constituting a copyright violation. The source citation only provides an author and page number. Would anyone have access to the original source so
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Really bad comparsion. That bombing killed over 100,000 people and tied directly into the Surrender of and occupation of Japan. This on the other hand, was a failed military campaign in which it was a small part of the Revolutionary War (an overall victory for America). The death toll was nowhere
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It isn't terrible in the sense of relevancy, but it's terrible in the sense of cultural sensitivity. There's good reason (using your argument) to nominate the atomic bombing of Hiroshima as TFA for the Japanese founding day celebration but I doubt you'd find many people who are going to view that
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To choose an American defeat as a featured article for Independence Day is an obvious insult to Americans. I'm very disappointed that Knowledge has chosen not even a neutral or unrelated article, but an article about American loss, on a day that is important to us. The Wikimedia foundation's bias
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I'm not so hardheaded to admit if I'm wrong. I believed American English to be the first variant used, but you have apparently proven that incorrect. I will not object further to Canadian English being used as the variant, unless further evidence can be dredged up of prior American usage. I was
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The positioning of the American Revolutionary War portal template at the beginning of the Notes section seems unusual to me. Actually, I'm not familiar with where portal templates are usually placed, but I thought most navigation templates went at the top or bottom of the whole article. I didn't
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Anyhow, you're doing a great job and you know your stuff. Strive for a more disinterested point of view with more neutral terms and by not suggesting one side was more heroic than the other, it is too much a point of view. And don't forget that the surrounding is important, not just the 1 hour of
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Your "clean up" was not useful. It removed nuances that were intentionally added to the infobox (e.g. to make it clear that French Canadian forces participated on both sides), and it added incorrect details (like the assertion that the 1st Canadian had 300 men). Who the belligerent is listed is
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that is also incorrect. Schuyler was actually retreating when he was told the canadien would not help him. He was convinced they would by Livingston near Chambly. That is why he continued. Many in Montreal call the event a liberation,such as Valentin Jautard. Throughout Quebec the population and
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The word canadien is not used in wikipedia, but it should be. French speak french. German speak german. English speak english. In 1776, the canadien spoke french. The others were canadian or british. french and english speaker fought together in the 1st and 2nd Canadian Regiment. You would not
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It's tie-in to the Revolutionary War is the rather obvious link, though not as good as if it had been saved for December 31. As a July 4 article, it isn't terrible. The Canadian campaign shaped how North America developed, and helped decide the limits of American territory. Losses in battle
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they did rise by not helping Carleton and 757 did rise just in the region of Quebec. But the population was small compared to the population of the states. The event hapen in only eight months and the population was allready helping the american. Quebec was not a free province, it was invaded
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the use of American English in this article is just mistaken. The British, who later become Canadians, won the battle, and the battlefield is in Canada. I'm asserting, first, the process is broken for review of featured articles, and, second, this article should have been and should be
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The article states that the colonial troops arrived on November 9th at the Plains of Abraham and then started gathering boats to cross the St-Lawrence river to reach Québec; this is impossible since the Plains of Abraham are on the same side of the river as Québec is! no boat needed!
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The siege and attack was greatly achieved because hundred of canadien helped Arnold and Montgommery. Edward Antill was with Montgomery that night. It is not irrelevant to point that out at the begining of the article. Or at least to make it very clearly in a separate section.
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I find that just about every historian who writes about this period is biased. I have read a fair amount of Lanctot and Stanley, as well as some Americans (especially Smith, who is useful for describing the general action, but dated in his politics). Who is the Gosselin
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Thank you. I (an American, if it is not clear), am actually interested in having a high-quality, balanced, and neutral description of these events. It will be a real challenge to achieve, and I think many contributors (such as you) will be required to make that
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are biased against the american. So many resisted conscription that Carleton and Haldimand could not rely on them. 300 to 400 militias assembled against the british troop in Mascouche because they didn't want to fight the american. (p. 404 of Lacoursière Book)
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It depends if you're speaking French or English. If you're talking about the people who live in Canada who are French, then its typically 'Canadiens' with an 'e' in my experience, but if they identify as English, then it's usually 'Canadians' with an 'a'.
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all know, and to me, one of these standards is that it's the American English which is commonly used here, not the Canadian nor the English, and that's because it's American English that is mainly widespread worldwide as the International English language.
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And I would say that since it happened during the American Revolutionary War, that American English is preferred or at least acceptable. That, and the fact that it passed FA review using American English, seem to point to American English being fine.
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Does anybody else see the irony in Canadians and Americans battling over an article about a battle between what eventually became Canadians and Americans? I personally think the ties to EN-CA is slightly stronger, but not so much to worry about it.
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help since those witness didn't know all what was going on. The Baby's report is clear that hundred of canadien actively help and supported the american. Making the canadien the first people to help the american independance. Well before Lafayette.
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Identifying one side as the "United States" in a battle that was fought in December of 1775 seems a bit anachronistic. The "United States" didn't exist either in fact or in law until July 4, 1776. The term "American Revolutionaries," used in the
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we can't change it since it became the name of the event for all practical purposes. But we should explain that New York was a Province for the British. Massachusetts was also a Province. There was no international border crossing to go into
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There are a lot of nuances and considerable room for arguing as to what it means, which is what's going on here. I'm staying out of that argument, but I did want to respond to this before someone else got here to respond more heatedly.
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to retreat afer the battle, for political reasons (looking bad to the locals). The Americans were then in a race to get troops to Quebec before the ice broke up -- they lost that race. (There is a reason why wars were not fought in
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the total to 2,000 men. But unable to renew an assault on the city, the siege continued until over 8,000 British reinforcements arrived on May6, 1776, which forced the American army to retreat south and back to the New York colony.
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I restored Canadian English for that word. If there are any other words with American rather than Canadian spellings, they should be changed. Apparently the matter of regional spelling had not been taken care of in FA review.
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militias were sharply divided. Soon, 15 000 foreign soldiers would be in The Province of Quebec, no amount of so-called propaganda made them changed their mind. The small population of 80 000 civilian could not voice their opinion.
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I generally try to link to "Province of" articles when describing these events. (And there were more than 14 British provinces in 1775 -- Nova Scotia, Newfoundland, East and West Florida, but they did not play a large role in the
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I think I've covered your prose issues. (The description of Morgan I put in the body. He's primarily mentioned because he went on to become more notable as the war went on, and assumed a leadership role after Arnold's injury.)
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If you let me know when you've finished making a reasonable amount of change, I will be happy to copyedit to improve the English. (If you are still adding material, I would rather wait.) If I have any questions, I'll ask them
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My personal view is that Quebec was the more important prize than Saint-Jean and Montreal, as it represents a substantial bastion against outside support (I think the Americans viewed it as the real prize too). Arnold did not
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this occurred six months later with the arrival of 4,000 troops and General John Burgoyne; Carleton would use these reinforcements to force the colonial army to retreat, and would eventually drive them all the way back to Fort
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The argument for Canadian English is plausible but I don't think it's a slam-dunk. Anyway I certainly won't edit-war over it either, and in fact am dropping the subject. (I did un-pipe your "New Year's Day" pipe, though.)
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I agree, this is the first I have ever heard about Knowledge having a know Canadian Bias. Also, as mentioned due to population sizes there are certainly many more Americans editing Knowledge making that claim suspect at
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OK, thank you. I knew Pelissiere was pro-American, but was only aware of some discussion he had with Montgomery and Wooster about how to handle dissent. I think that Pelissiere's part is probably better described in
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Let's not be fooled by the title: it was a British–American battle, and the spelling could go either way. I think in these cases one goes back to the first spelling to disambiguate the variety. As far as I can see,
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Other canadien built ladders for the american. For the attack in Quebec the american had 500 ladders. They had them because many canadien helped them. A number of abenakis also help Livinsgton at Saint-John gates.
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Gustave Lanctôt is known to despise the pro-american side; I don't have much faith about his version of the event. In the biography of Clément Gosselin, more serious historian agreed that Lanctôt is biased.
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had in September organized a militia force of several hundred to defend the town, although they were "not much to be depended on", with estimates that only half the militia forces were reliable. He had
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article should be the time of the battle and siege around Quebec City, roughly November 1775 to May 1776. A number of your additions fall outside this scope (and within the scope of the other article):
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The battle was the climax of the rebels' invasion of Canada and put an end to any hopes of French Canada rising in rebellion with the colonists. The battle did not actually repulse the invasion
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Could not have worked out better - lost of people educated about this topic. As for Canadian bias - I simply done see Canadians that make up about 8% of the editors here being able to do this.
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debatable: there are quite a few possible entries that are not obviously wrong. Most of the pre-independence actions in the war list "United Colonies" (or specific colonies) as belligerents.
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Carleton's investigation of collaborators with the Americans should be in the other article (or the Quebec City-related investigations should be documented in the Aftermath here); it happens
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Can I just say that the essence of this entire page is that don't attack Canada in the winter unless you want to die? They basically froze themselves to death, no? 21:26, 2020-02-07 (UTC)
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there is going to be an inherent bias in the article. As for being insulted about this article being featured on the 4th of July, don't be so sensitive. Nationalism is silly anyhow. -
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On the subject of Ticonderoga, there was in fact a great deal of concern on the part of both Massachusetts and Connecticut politicians about the actions they authorized concerning the
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almost was called off (most of the american didn't want to do it). What turned the tide was the 15 000 troops in june. We should insist it was the Province of Quebec at the time.
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ever commanded). As for being featured on the 4th, considering that it seems like the majority of editors are Americans, Americans must have been in the process to choose it. --
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The American failure in this battle showed that there was insufficient support among the Quebec populace to support continued efforts to take the province from British control.
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The American failure in this battle showed that there was insufficient support among the Quebec populace to support continued efforts to take the province from British control.
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