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Charlesworth would have been at Duntroon, that they had actually dropped to one company. Perhaps the way to clarify this would be to say this: "In 1923 he was appointed Company Sergeant Major within the Corps of Staff Cadets. Upon graduation he received the
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Charlesworth refs explicitly say that in connection with him. If we find out precisely
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References, same as above for the two Odgers works and Stephens. They seem to have original years, does this mean they were reprints, or updated editions (e.g. 1st edition, 2nd edition, etc.)? If the latter, then that should probably be added to the citation template (I think the code is
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607:"his final year...." confirms to me that the appointment was while at Duntroon (i.e. within the CSC and not elsewhere in the Army). But, fair enough, you have more experience of FAC than me, so if you think its an OR issue, then I can accept that.
556:"appointed Company Sergeant Major..." (do you know what company he was CSM of at Duntroon? If not, its no big deal, but if so it might make it just a little clearer that CSM is a cadet appointment at Duntroon and not so much a rank);
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Mitchell but is it a stopper for now? A link (in time) seems to me the best solution in case the description is a bit of mouthful (to differentiate it from the Medal). Cheers,
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Sorry mate, I may have misundertood the concern -- I've made clear now that he was CSM at
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