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against simple and consistent guidelines applying to particular subjects (and, more to the disruptiveness point, constant interference with editors who are not engaging in such anti-guideline activism, but just following the guidelines and the sourcing) are the only reason there is any "struggle" at all and the only reason it is dragging it out into "eternity". It needs to stop.
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So they rip apart an existing team, franchise and fan base, simply to stock a new one as a fop to certain owners. Can someone please find a third party source that rips the NHL, the Gunds and anyone else involved for allowing something as corrupt and stupid as this to occur? The NHL in those days was
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I just created this page but couldn't find any kind of round-by-round data for the draft, just a list of the players chosen by San Jose. I have no recollection of this event and don't know how the draft was conducted (indeed information in general about this seems to be really scarce, hence me
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