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I am going to point out to you something you seem to have overlooked. Almost all the hundred edits you have made since your last block expired, two weeks ago, were either to articles I started, or were otherwise connected to my efforts. I think you need to realize that this is a serious lapse from
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they have read this page. At least I tend to skip over links at the top of the page and first read the page, and when I reach the end of the page I usually have forgotten there was a link at the top of the page. So I find it more logical to have links for "further reading" in the "See also" section.
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English doesn't seem to be your first language (mine is German, so I often share your problem), and so you don't find the most useful word for what you want, even though there possibly is one. A publically exhibited decorational object "as a reminder" isn't "reminder", but "memorial". A well (water
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When you point with one finger, you have four pointing back at yourself. But let me ask my question again, where is there any consensus for red links being "always valid" for DAB pages? You are making this claim, and I don't see anything to support this. I see no valid reason for DAB links for
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Authors about basket weaving. Should the entry on the DAB be removed? What if instead of "author" it's "pedeophile"? My concern is search
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editors. At present there are 11,000,000 odd registered editors. A lot of them are vandal accounts. But all of this is academic. The barriers to anyone editing WP is extremely low and whether we have this or that template on this page makes next to no difference. Selecting the template that I
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you removed another entry I had added to another DAB I started. Disambiguation pages are meant to help readers distinguish between topics with the same name. An individual's coverage on the wikipedia doesn't need to be in a standalone article for disambiguation to be
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What is the proper way to handle a situation where there are two programs with similar names and there is only a wiki article for one of them? A redirect is misleading at best, and will cause problems if an editor later writes an article on the second program.
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whereas in German the animal would be "Seehund" (literally "ocean dog") for the animal, and "Siegel" for the envelope-closing adhesive edge - two different words, hence no name collision, and therefor also no need to disambiguate what simply is not ambigous.
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motherland, not recognising the puppet state Turkey created on the north after the Turkish invasion. Of course some users of Knowledge think suspiciously otherwise, but that is how things are. The Republic of Cyprus and Cyprus is exactly the same thing.
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only has entries with no link because you put them there. I took them out again. All the other entries I saw have a blue link of some sort. The third entry you added looks a little dubious. Would people really type "SMS' if they were looking for
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created for this series of pages is not "walling off Knowledge". To call me "misguided" is an opinion and naturally I do not agree. Editing capabilities are always one click away for readers and I cannot and do not want to change that.
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Where's there's smoke... I'm not the one using original research and misrepresenting sources. There seems to be a clear pattern of that going on here. As far as red links being "always valid" in DAB, is there any consensus on this
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I've tried a neutral canvassing and there's no interest either way. It seems that neither of us is convinced by the other's arguments. Perhaps we should start some kind of hostilities to garner attention?
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Can someone with savvy please make this global change? Thank you!
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