592:. There are also plenty of maintenance templates available. We have enough different templates available that it is not necessary to use stub templates to mean something else. IMHO, most articles on lighthouses don't need to be very long. Unless they have some particular significance above and beyond the average lighthouse, they don't need a 10,000 word article. I would also note that for many lighthouses, useful, verfiably published information is not in great abundance. I had to work hard to find what little usable information I put into some lighthouse articles. As an extreme example, try finding material published in reliable sources for expanding
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One other thing I have noticed while stubbing articles for this project is that there seems to be no consensus regarding terminology for articles; some articles are titled "such-and-such lighthouse" while others are titled "such-and-such light"; some are also "such-and-such light station". I think
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Well...Emerson and Boyd were written up and honored for their heroics in saving lives, Fish seems to have been fairly popular as a socialite in her area, and Moore was written up in one or two of the New York papers for a human interest story. Thing is, a
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