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712:: In relation to the issue of the significance of his resignation as a delegate to the Republican National Convention, it would probably be helpful to keep in mind that the reason that he gave for doing so (and this is also why it was national news) was that he could not in good conscience cast a vote for Donald Trump. Opposition to Trump within the GOP even once he had secured the 2016 Republican nomination was a significant aspect of the 2016 United States presidential campaign, and so were the causes of that opposition to the person who now, as you know, has become the President of the United States. Joshua Claybourn's resignation as a delegate was important enough either as evidence of that opposition or as a symbol of it that major national news outlets in the U.S. reported it. If the article needs more citations in order to adequately demonstrate this, I can provide them, though I did not think that they were difficult to find. It is probably also worth mentioning that my search (using Google) turned up articles not just from major U.S. news outlets but also from a couple of foreign ones. Since my familiarity with foreign news publications printed in foreign languages is limited, I looked them up here on Knowledge to get a sense of whether these two are credible, well-established publications, and my impression was that they are. For anyone who wants to double-check, the publications are the 720:. Both of the publications are German (and printed in the German language), and both mention Claybourn's resignation as a delegate and include a quote from him (though the quote has been translated into German). As far as I know, Knowledge does not have a hard rule on this point, but I think that the fact that two German news outlets thought his resignation significant enough to report at all in Germany (and to quote him) is useful as at least a rough indicator of significance. I would not normally expect a major German newspaper and a major German news magazine to take notice of what some American did while present in the United States unless they, in their judgment as secondary sources, considered what he did to be noteworthy and thought that their readers might actually care about it. I do not mean to suggest that his resignation was the story of the year, but while I do not think this coverage of it would justify a new Joshua Claybourn article on the German-language (or "Deutsch") Knowledge, it does justify keeping this article on the English-language Knowledge. 772:
reading about it at the time, but I think that at least one of the articles that I looked at last night also said that. I'll try to find one (maybe a few) and link to it here. It would make sense that a delegate would be bound in casting the first ballot, though, because now-President Trump did win the Indiana Republican primary in May 2016 (I am from Indiana, so I remember that vividly, though as infrequently as I can manage), and that primary would not have served any obvious purpose if delegates for the state were not obligated to vote for its winner on at least the first ballot at the convention. I'll Google up a source or two now, though, since those ought to have more weight than my own reasoning and my own memory of things.
325:. I agree with John Pack Lambert that being a delegate to a party convention is not grounds for notability, but I think that resigning as a delegate for a party convention can be, depending on the circumstances. Resigning due to illness or a some low-level personal scandal, for example would obviously not cut it. Resigning in public protest of the nominee of your party, I would say, is a far more likely indicator of notability. 820:
position). It may be helpful in settling the question of what the position that Joshua Claybourn resigned actually was and why his unwillingness to cast a vote for Mr. Trump made it necessary for him to resign that position. That is important to know in order to understand why his resignation drew the attention of national and even international news organizations.
663:: This article's deficiency lies with its weak introduction. That needs to be fleshed out more. The authorship history is of minor significance but when taken together with the notable and high profile resignation as a delegate (covered extensively in the New York Times and CNN, among others), it makes this an easy determination.-- 771:
I am pretty sure that he would have been required to cast his vote for Trump on the first ballot at the convention, and if a nominee had not been successfully chosen on the first ballot, he might have been able to use his own judgment on a second or any subsequent ballot. That was my impression from
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I don't appreciate being summoned here by a template that is meant to be used for the article creator. This subject is vaguely of interest to me and the article creator is anonymous. I am inclined to recommend it being kept, because there are sources, and the political aspect of this subject is minor
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There may be better articles than this (ones that more directly state that Claybourn would have been required to vote for Trump on the first ballot and that the possibility of a second ballot had been eliminated due to the number of delegates Trump had managed to win in the primaries up to that
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article is a different one than the one to which I linked before. This one does not actually mention Claybourn, but it does provide additional information about in what sense of the word "delegate" he was to be a delegate to the Republican National Convention (before his resignation of that
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as a delegate to this conference sufficient for that opinion to be notable? Now I think a senatorial candidate taking that line would have been; I know no-one gives a damn what I think of Trump, but where does a conference delegate stand between those two points? Are they even a
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Comment: apologies if this is not in line with protocol, but YHoshua, do you have a conflict of interest? Your talk page says you run the website for the Claybourn family, and that link says that the site is run by Joshua Claybourn, who is the subject of this article.
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I don't see enough evidence of notability here. Legal work is not notable. Book on Lincoln is not yet published. Citations mostly appear to be articles by the subject, or in one case a non-reliable source, the three-sentence Hewitt post. Was AfDed in 2005,
577:. His main weblog was one of the most influential, read, and commented at, and he was also a major contributor to other weblogs. He had a major role in the Blogosphere, almost from its beginning. He has since achieved success, in many other ways. 599:
blogger - he'd have to have started whilst still at school. Also the ref given for this is a trivial one para mention of five bloggers, with no description of each. Also the blog linked there is dead, now some sort of Thai spam page.
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I did explain on your talk page. At some point you had commented and/or edited an article relating to the "Never Trump" movement and thus I thought you might be able to add input to the discussion. My apologies if I was in
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the events of 2016 are not enough to establish notability. Being a delegate to a party convention is not grounds for notability, resigning as a delegate for a party convention, is even less a sign of notability.
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IndyNotes notified around 30 users who had nothing to do with editing or working on this article or the previous AfD (from thirteen years ago) of this nom; I don't know if this is a
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I had just the same opinion myself - "I could not in good conscience cast a vote for Donald Trump". It's not an unusual opinion. Now, here's the nub - was
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in a strict sense? (this term gets stretched every which way). Is such a conference 'delegate' expected to represent
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What sort of date for his blog? He's described here as "the next generation of bloggers" and I can't see him as an
515: 744: 154: 17: 896:: I notified some editors who had voted on other AfD discussions for political or author-related articles per 514:: I notified some editors who had voted on other AfD discussions for political or author-related articles per 113: 539:. Not sure why I was notified, but this clearly looks like a vanity page on a not-really-notable individual. 150: 125: 200: 928: 254: 40: 850: 61: 900:. I tried to get an even split of people who had voted for both deleting and keeping articles. -- 561: 518:. I tried to get an even split of people who had voted for both deleting and keeping articles. -- 883: 760: 695:- I was not able to locate sufficient secondary biographical sources to establish notability. 643: 605: 479: 457: 437: 417: 397: 377: 357: 121: 166: 29:
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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and not the main claim for significance. But I won't put this in bold because of the
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