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think this can be solved here. There's no need to immediately correct the article. It will eventually be fixed to the correct information after the discussion completes. You have good points here. I think you should present them on the article's talk page. You are right, wikipedia is not for conspiracy theories and speculation. You've to make that point to the other editors. --
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You are right in your view, but I've added sources atleast for the content I added ie. Pakistan which include sources from outside
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among editors at wikipedia, so mostly these disputes happen between all kinds of editors. These however seem to be nested cases of bias which I contested and in response
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Great (will use). Getting it through slowly... only if the socks would let me work on anything other than their POVs. Been across 3 just in the last 2 weeks. The last one mentioned in a section above was crazy. PS. you seem to have some knowledge about the sources and the issue, feel free to jump in
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and add "Knowledge:Sockpuppet investigations/Lagoo sab" to the input box. You'll get a semi filled form to fill up. I think I also have a piece of evidence. I once supported to block the editor
NorthernPushtun for racist comments on the (archive) page you have linked on top... following up that case
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Your reversal is fine. However there are far more hetergeneous countries apart from the UK, Estonia, Pakistan and Israel who designate themselves as "nation states". A possible problem in this context, is that it is diverging from the article and the actual topic if more similar examples are added.
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The problem is, this story is not widely published in any other sources except for the
Pakistan Observer article so it's a bit vague to understand the story in depth even if we ask a third party opinion. I think it was probably some misuse of the noun on Pakistan Observer's part (what they probably
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Would it be fair to say that a common element in some of your edits is that you are active in situations where you feel that
Pakistan is being unfairly accused of something? If you agree with this assessment, it may help admins and others figure out where everyone is coming from. I never heard the
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Taliban in the after math of the fall of Commmunist Afghan when the Afghan Civil War started power" , I think its wrong to refer to all groups then as anti taliban, they changed
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here, I would like to clarify that I had changed it to "Afghanistan-related analysts and monitors" because the definition of "Afghan monitors" is dubious and unclear. The term 'monitors' is often used to refer to analysts or observers of a particular subject. I have often, for example, seen the
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where he asked the blocking administrator to let him go or something on the pretext of the
Judgement day which he so faithfully assumes in his favour. I'm trying to find that fragment yet (leave me note if you find it). I think a case should be opened. A check user on him will clear things up.
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of the dispute. The common element here would be that I mostly edit on
Pakistan related articles (which is my area of knowledge/interest on wikipedia - see my contributions list, I'm active on many Pakistan related articles), so I don't completely agree with the assessment. As an IP user noted
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I've sort of modified the original sentence on the crossroads (see the lead). I put "South Asia's crossroads" instead, since it seems less repetetive than mentioning South Asia again. What do you think, does it make sense (or is there any better wording) or was the previous version better?
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I've warned him as well. Start a discussion on talk page and confront him about it. If his content is properly sourced, ask for the neutrality. Usually the one adding negative content faces more scrutiny. If the disagreement continues after some discussion, then you can take the issue to
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I've had this article on my watchlist since I went active here. I think it is in pretty good shape, I recently reviewed it's former FA revision; the current one is in much better shape than that. Let's put it up for peer review and see what comes out of it. We can then try to improve it
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Apart from there not being enough sources and clarification on the nationality "Afghan monitors", even if we just apply some common sense, I generally find it hard to believe that these would be the words of an Afghan official. However, I await your reply and your opinion on this.
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I saw your recent edit on this article and it is not neutral so I advise you to pacify your language and these are just allegations by Pakistan army not proved so far so treat it as a controversy or something like that. You can reply here or we can discuss on that article's talk
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If you have more add be my guest and have a good day p.s I removed the trolls message from your page If you want it back dont hesitate to remove my deletion sorry If I come across a bit aggressive I have learnt in Knowledge that trolls must be dealt wit harshly take care
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NATO and US sent condolences in return. And the claim is unrefuted. You seemed to be deliberately editing that. I do not think I own the article and invite(d) every one for talk page discussion. You can raise your concerns at the article talk page instead.
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news report means when it was saying "Afghan monitors" i.e. analysts and experts on Afghanistan. We need to present everything as clear as we can and avoid ambiguity and the same concept should be applied especially when stating claims such as these.
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TopGun is right. Removal of content without an edit summary like that is considered generally vandalism. There is no way you found that unless you were looking through his contributions for something to accuse him of. Stop hounding him.
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I think previous version was better, since the cross roads are mentioned as crossroads of all three regions. The previous version is more explanatory clarifying that it is on the cross roads from Central Asia to Middle East as well.
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is having a POV agenda against Estonia and everything Estonian. For example I reverted his POV "editions" (his/her own personal comments which are not the same with the sources he/she adds) about Russians in Estonia in the
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article. Could you check and if necessary warn this user, and that he/she does not add POV remarks that often contradict the sources he/she adds. Actually this is the diverging point from the Nation State article. Thank
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Do you know how to open up a Sockpuppet investigation (the exact method)? Have you opened one before? I think it's really important and will confirm whether this user is related to the Islamabad-based Afghan editor
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phrase "Pakistan monitors" used in news reports (such as American sources) and what that usually implies is analysts who focus on Pakistan and not necessarily Pakistani officials themselves. I think that's what the
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furthere more another section says "From 1994-2001, the ISI is widely agreed by the international community to have provided support to the Taliban in their rise to power and fight against anti-Taliban forces "
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some more vandlism on the page, who keeps bringing up thinks already on the page, and is making edits in bad faith . particularly lots of pro Indain properganda . I also suspect the account may be another copy
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User dark has been vandalising the article on 1965 air war the article contains sources from retired indian generals now that smells of pov from miles away take a short look you will know what I mean
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Stop poking in all my contributions and labeling me for adding OR when I'm merely reverting vandalism or unexplained removals when you are brink of a block yourself. And stay off my talk page. --
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where many more better qualified editors have already been doing a good job, I would like to divert your attention to a very important article that needs your attention for further improvement:
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that Wikireader is active on all articles which accuse or bias against Pakistan, his accusation would apply to himself for raising the same point again on another article with the same content
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the current articles only accuses ISI of doing things in balouchistan, my paragraph on what the insurgents where convited of has been removed. I have asked the admin to introduce the following
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Indain reciption bit already exists, if he wants to quote random books, I will also find books.books can say anything and one can publish something pariticulary indians and the american right,
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