Talk:West Bank/Archive 5

503:, perhaps the most authoritative scholar in his field, resigned after Israel managed to dig up innocuous 'dirt', and get him replaced on the investigatory panel for the war crimes etc at Gaza. The EU, once highly critical of the devastation of the West bank, is now distracted by ISIS and the Charlie Hebdo incident, and, of all the organs in the world, the Daily Mail suddenly discovers this obscure stuff (which is actually simply about sheltering people made homeless by dispossession), and then, only then, do conservative newespapers with a POV in Israel jump at it. Of course, this is neither here nor there to editors, but we are, as editors, obliged to be very careful about what appears to be 'breaking' news, which is often manipulative. I concur with Jeppiz's call, and would add we should await serious EU official responses, rather than allow the encyclopedia to be sucked into what looks like a 'placed' piece of rather ugly purport. If the issue is a serious one for the EU it will probably be 2336:

acceptable for me. No one with any knowledge of the conflict could even think for a second that SoP does not claim the WB and that nations have recognized the state on 1967 borders, and numerous passed UN resolutions have also joined the SoP with the oPT such as A/RES/67/19; "1. Reaffirms the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967;", "Reaffirming its commitment, in accordance with international law, to the two State solution of an independent, sovereign, democratic, viable and contiguous State of Palestine living side by side with Israel in peace and security on the basis of the pre-1967 borders,". It just can't be argued that the WB and the SoP are so weakly related that they shouldn't be mentioned together.

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dimension to the uninhabited area contiguous to the River. A third of the West Bank runs contiguous to the Dead Sea, not the Jordan, furthermore. I always think overrefinement of a definition, esp. in this area, just opens a can of worms. Of course, one can experiment with various modulations. So far, though open-minded, I can't see an improvement. I was told as a child 'don't touch a cow pat', because they don't stink if left untouched. (Of course I touched one, because one just had to learn how to scoop them up and use them as ammunition in our endless skirmishes. And covering an enemy in the other gangs with cow shit was more civil than shying a stone at them!, though that too was par for the course, and not subject to retaliatory threats of being shot dead, though of course we did also use air-rifles at times!)

1658:" occurs but that is just English narrative and not a name being used; also in common English the "bank" of a river refers only to land quite close to the river and not everything in that direction. (OED: "The shelving or sloping margin of a river or stream; the ground bordering upon a river.") There are some (but quite few) uses of "Western Palestine" in the 1920-ish period. As far as I know, "West Bank" as the name of a region arose after the Jordanian annexation. Afaik (correct me if I'm wrong), Jordan in Arabic called it "West Jordan" and the part east of the river "East Jordan". There is a problem with writing "on the west bank of the Jordan River" as it violates the normal meaning of "bank", but that's an easy problem: just write "to the west of the Jordan River". 2109:

Israel went back on its agreements re Area A, and enters and exits at will, without prior permission) or the statutory reality recognized by most of the world except for the usual diehard big shots. In any case, as someone who has never favoured plunking round 'State of Palestine' all over articles, Nab and David are correct. Wait a day, David, but if there are no substantial objections from other editors, you can take out the 'State of Palestine'. Debresser's remark also is commonsensical. As a general principle, where a POV clash is at stake in a conflicted area of wiki, we should go for minimalist synthesis, a sentence in two parts, or a short line for both views, and leave it to the read to go down to the relevant subsections where the details can be thrashed out.

4417:" refers to these 15 as the sole waste processing plants and misrepresents what B'Tselem is claiming by making a total claim for all West Bank waste processing and not the specific, and rather small, segment of waste processing plants in Israeli industrial zones in the West Bank - which is a rather significant distinction. The title of "Israeli garbage disposal" is incorrect as B'Tselem is mostly describing processing, not disposal. The final sentence is SYNTH - taking an unrelated paragraph from a book (on an old quarry that was filled in 2005) - and applying it to the 15, different, sites claimed by B'Tselem (which is not a RS). The first sentence of "Many waste treatment facilities..." is not needed and is somewhat inaccurate regarding the report - which says 15. 2406:

universally recognized state with recognized legitimate borders, whereas Palestine is a state whose borders, institutions, autonomy is blocked by a superpower and its Middle Eastern colonial ally. No one can pin it down One may not like that (I think it despicable), but using a strategy of saying whatever is denied Palestine must, by mechanical parity, be denied Israel is rhetorical, and we keep it off the wiki record. In the forseeable future, statehood in the full sense will be denied Palestine, though its right to act as though it were a state is almost universally recognized, except for the usual megalomaniac strongarming suspects and a few islets in Micronesia.

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against Galilee Palestinians. Wherever it finds evidence of a lack of permit, it mobilizes to get the army to demolish it, or the High Court to authorize its destruction. It does not say a word about the numerous illegal settlements, land encroachments, and unauthorized building by Jewish settlers. The Daily Mail was the vehicle for its exposition. It's the only self-defined NGO I know which is dedicated to enforcing the systematic dispossession of a people, rather than, as is the classical case for NGOs, defending a people from abuse and dispossession.

319:. It's fine to make bold edit, but it's also fine for others to revert said edit, and then is the time to discuss. Furthermore, and no offence intended, this is English Knowledge and the articles have to be written in correct and readable English. Your proposed edit is filled with spelling mistakes, grammar mistakes and unencyclopedic language. Both the content and the format is problematic, but the format is at least easy to change. The more relevant question is whether a report from a non-notable and strongly partial organization is due here or not. 3431:'Cis', the Latin prefix meaning 'this side of', was used in a geographical sense in Republican Rome, for example, to mean the side nearer to Rome (as in Cisalpine). It is a 'deictic' prefix with a strong geo-political resonance. For obvious reasons it survives with this meaning in languages derived in one way or another from Latin. Its use in Hungarian presumably shows how that language (or the users of it) wishes to align itself, but the mention of Hungarian in this context seems irrlevant and unnecessary. 31: 2047:(whether occupier or not) decides what happens in the so-called West Bank territories. Isn't it pushing the issue just a little bit too much to call the West Bank a "Palestinian State," at the exclusion of its current administrators, and so as to prejudice a resolution of this dispute? This is why, in my humble opinion, we're still in need of changing this current edit, either by omitting "Palestinian State," or by adding the edit that I have suggested. Can we get an opinion from 1947:

claim as well.(Personally, I expect if Greece were to filch that logic it would with equal force demand that Turkey cede all of its littoral from the Black Sea to the Bosphorus down to the Mediterranean border with Syria, because all of the cities there are rife with the archaeological bedrock of ancient Greek settlement, since at least 1,200 BCE. The only breakdown in the analogy that Zeus had rivals, while Yahweh's were buried in the interstices of the Tanakh:)

4639: 4681: 4580: 3680: 3594: 2736: 3648: 1016:“Significant portions of the Israeli public similarly oppose the continuing presence of Jewish Israelis in the West Bank and have supported the 2005 settlement relocation.” What is significant to some is not significant to others. What is the figure? I am not involved in the conflict at all and I know nothing of it; the reason I wrote this was that I found the formulation confusing. - 468:. By the way, all this talk about Israeli law is bizarre. Israel does not apply its laws to demolish Palestinian structures in the West Bank, it applies the "emergency regulations" questionably inherited from the British Mandate, with modifications at the whim of the local IDF Commander, and before the High Court it claims to follow international law on Belligerent Occupation. 142:

own obligations to that people under international law. Therefore, the news can be reported, but in context, with the balance you do not get in breaking news reporting only one side of the issue. It is not very relevant to this article, except to Area C. The best thing would be to await until some outlet like the New York nTimes reports the matter (if it ever does).

4673:" between the West Bank and Israel. As of April 2006 the length of the barrier as approved by the Israeli government is 703 kilometers (437 mi) long. Approximately 58.4% has been constructed, 8.96% is under construction, and construction has not yet begun on 33% of the barrier. The space between the barrier and the green line is a closed military zone known as the 4197:. B'Tselem is not a RS, you could attribute to B'Tselem. AJ is better - however they are merely stating B'Tselem released a report + interviewed B'Tselem personnel - so it still should be attributed to B'Tselem. Furthermore - you are misrepresenting what B'Tselem has said. The 15 Israeli-owned recycling/waste-processing plants in the West Bank 2932:. Take a sentence like "Mekorot is as well the water supplier of the illegal settlers." Mekorot is the governmental water company. Of course it provides water to Israeli settlers. By the way, why add the word "illegal" here. It is not needed, if not to make a point. Later in the paragraph they are again called illegal. Etcetera, etcetera. 4221:

3. If you have sources that support the rosier picture for the local residents feel free to add. You can't delete a well-supported contribution--supported fully by two journalistic sources and in part by two books by Israeli authors just because you speculate that there may be an upside. If you've got the upside based on RS, add it.--

2151:(b) is fine, (a) would not be acceptable as it is for it states the fringe view of Israel without ever mentioning the mainstream view that the WB is occupied by Israel. I don't see a problem with the wording in regards to Palestine but if we must change it, it could be changed to "and widely recognized as being part of Palestine". 1936:

international determination. To state that one party's political view, when the world overwhelmingly accepts that it is occupied in legal terms, is way undue. In all these leads we by customary practice state the international view, and add that this is disputed by Israel, and this is what we have. Put in an expansion:

2360:. I know that, I wrote above the most that can be said is that it is claimed by Palestine. As far as the UN resolutions, they dont say anything about the WB currently being in the state. It says that the state has a right to the Palestinian territories, it says they support a state that has that territory. They 3561: 4731:

Supporters of the barrier claim it is necessary for protecting Israeli civilians from Palestinian attacks, which increased significantly during the Al-Aqsa Intifada; it has helped reduce incidents of terrorism by 90% from 2002 to 2005; over a 96% reduction in terror attacks in the six years ending in

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Kingsindian. 1. The piece I added yesterday, which now has been deleted in its entirety, is attributed to B'Tselem--please see the first sentence. 2. I am aware of no Israeli response and in fact the cited sources said that Israeli officials in charge of waste did not comment. I agree that if someone

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Icewhiz, 1. the piece I added states: "most of the waste they process is brought over from within the Green line inside Israel." That's exactly what you seem to be saying. It doesn't say most of Israel's waste is processed in these 15 sites. 2. I do attribute to B'Tselem--right in the first sentence.

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in pre-1967 Israel). Nor does it mean that most waste processing in the West Bank is of Israeli waste (there is quite a bit of Palestinian waste). You also fail to address benefits to Palestinians from these plants (e.g. processing of Palestinian waste and employment), as you rely on a source that is

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I have spoken first hand to an Israeli resident of West Bank - but the geopolitical borders is still very confusing to me and I wonder how often city control shifts. Bethlehem used to be under Christian/Israeli control, but is now Arab/Palestinian controlled. The West Bank is carved up into 3 areas

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Read the archives, and the article. That it is known in Israel by that recent joint moniker is in the lead. That all around the world, it is known as the West Bank, and that this is the default term used in wiki's neutral narrative voice, was established by consensus years ago, following arbitration.

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ordered for construction by the Israeli Government, consisting of a network of fences with vehicle-barrier trenches surrounded by an on average 60 meters (197 ft) wide exclusion area (90%) and up to 8 meters (26 ft) high concrete walls (10%) (although in most areas the wall is not nearly that high).

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is a relevant policy to keep in mind. Not saying it's automatically undue, but no effort made to establish why it's due here. Most of all, I'm troubled by the lack of neutral, encyclopaedic language. The purpose of the whole paragraph seems more editorial with the aim of blaming Israel. Again, there

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It would help if you could straighten out the misperception in your remark that there is an implicit opposition between Christian/(Israeli?) and Arab/Palestinians. There ain't. Christian means a faith, Arab a ethno-cultural identity. Most Christians there are Arabs. And in Bethlehem large numbers of

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Nableezy, relax, I work 80 hours a week, I don't always have time to source basic info, but your behaviour so far does make it hard to imagine working with you again. The complete removal of any mention of the State of Palestine from the lead of one of the two areas sought to makeup the state is not

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I'm not Zero, but my view is it should not say State of Palestine except that the state claims the territory. I am emphatically not a fan of the changes in a number of articles to supposedly upgrade in the Palestinian territories to in the State of Palestine. The state exists, that can't be disputed

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David. I reverted you more or less for the reasons given above. Politics documents are one thing: they express a state interest. Legal documents, both internal and international, have another order of reality - they express an international consensus, Israel accepting more or less in this regard the

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Out of curiosity, Nishidani, how would you phrase the question regarding the etymology of the phrase, and also, I guess, I would be curious about whether you think maybe revising the etymology section into the history section, maybe in reference to early pre-1947 usage of the term and pre-1947 terms

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Except it doesnt, it ignores the historical reason for the name and in its place says it simply lies on the bank of the river and that is why it is called what it is called. The story is not that simple, and using that simplified and inaccurate story is misleading. Im not opposed to including why it

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doesn't seem to have any discussion of the term, although it is comparatively short. Maybe, and this is just a maybe, the Etymology section and History section can be merged. A new "early history" section of the history section might be able to describe the historical scope and name of the area, and

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Opponents claim the barrier is an illegal attempt to annex Palestinian land under the guise of security, violates international law, has the intent or effect to pre-empt final status negotiations, and severely restricts Palestinian livelihoods, particularly limiting their freedom of movement within

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I.e., you are unhappy the source, and its paraphrase, do not make a distinction you personally wish to make. 'Israeli-owned' is neither in the source nor the paraphrase. Your inference is reading far too much into the text. Again, for the nth time, stop droning the lie that ' B'Tselem does not meet

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Yes, you've stated, but you haven't brought any sources. You're arguing against everybody else here, so there seems to be consensus for the removal of state of Palestine. As such I'm removing the hysteric overreaction of tagging the whole frickin article because 3 words you want aren't in the lead.

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as adjunctive in a disjunctive sense, i.e., the Palestinian territories are one thing - there is also the additional 'thing' called the State of Palestine, whether it be the autonomous entity in Area A which a bipartisan agreement underwrote complete Palestinian control of (not really autonomous:

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and you will set off a larger expansion of the fact that the Palestinian authority have ancient ties to their land, with a millennial old majoritarian presence there, etc. etc. Not to add that adjunctive phrasing for balance would be to insinuate that the indigenous majority did not have an ancient

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Does the Hebrew wiki provide any examples of pre-1948 British use of "West Bank" as a name? My memory is not what it used to be (so far as I can recall) but I can't think of an example of that anywhere in the large amount of British documentation I have read. Of course the descriptive phrase "west

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The term is generally thought to be used in its modern acceptance after Jordan announced it would or had 'annexed' it after 1949. The term itself was used, as one part of the dyad 'East Bank (=Transjordan)" - "West Bank" (West Bank) emblazoned on stamp issues by the Jordanian government about 1951

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Israel is the only country that makes the distinction between settlers in West Bank that doesn't live in East Jerusalem and settlers that do live in East Jerusalem in the West Bank. It is therefore wrong of Knowledge to make that distinction, since it is the fringe view. Please reword the sentence

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Are you kidding me? You think its appropriate to tag an article because it doesnt say something for which there are no sources? When there is unanimous agreement on the talk page, with a range of views from Huldra, Nishidani, myself to Davidbena and Debresser? But you dont get what you want so the

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it gives an example for the whole land between river and Mediterranean being called West Bank but does not give an example. My research always showed it was first used by the Jordanians. I believe the difference is in hebrew the term cisjordan (עבר-הנהר) would refers to Jordan. With the sources we

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The legal issue not mentioned is encapsulated by the bolded terms. Technically, Israel is asserting no external cooperative organization has a right to provide accommodation to homeless people in the foreign territory it occupies, esp. when the homelessless is a result of Israel's violation of its

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Icewhiz's revert edit summary is totally subjective, and his responses above ('B'Tselem is not a RS') patent nonsense, defioed both by the RSN board results and our own practice on Knowledge articles. B'tselem is RS on hundreds if not thousands of articles here, and is distinguished for its close

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Editing the paragraph may be a more constructive approach than deleting it. It appears to be reliably sourced (prima facie) and the water issue is quite central to the occupation, indeed I was surprised just now that it isn't covered very well in this article. Concerning the settlements, they are

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for your replies. I appreciate it. It is true that even amongst Israelis the subject is disputed, but even dissenting Israelis make-up the minority view amongst Israelis. The larger question involves world public opinion. The object of this edit is not to dispute the fact that the territories are

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I do not have good English ... Will not go into here the question of whether Jews are occupiers in the West Bank (in their original country), or not. But Israeli Localities in Judea and Samaria are part of the very center of the view. And therefore mandatory to put pictures of the prosperity that

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was/is a no man's land (the other two arrows to no-man lands (Latrun and Government House are correct) - this is not accurate. This was an Israeli demilitarized exclave (with Israeli "police" presence). Some of the area surrounding Mount Scopus was a no-man's land - but the university campus and

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Israel's view on this is a bit more complex. The Israeli High Court has repeatedly said the West Bank, excepting East Jerusalem, is held under belligerent occupation and that Israel's authority for its various orders and regulations in the West Bank come from the law of occupation. Regardless of

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4 September, 2012. Unfortunately, we have no article on it: it is not an NGO of any repute, but a settler lobby that systematically trawls for evidence, and makes court cases, against any Palestinian constructions in Area C of the West Bank, Bedouin constructions in the Negev, and even militates

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Your statement that the "West Bank" doesn't lie on the west-bank of the Jordan River is blatantly incorrect. Everyone knows that the political entity known as the "West Bank" lies, geographically, on the west-bank of the Jordan River, and the words do not restrict or give limits to that domain.

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In English usage, West Bank is understood to be the geographic area occupied by Israel in 1967, and earlier by Jordan. It doesn't 'lie on the West Bank of the Jordan River' David, and that formulation would imply an even thinner 'West Bank' than the one we have, in connotatively restricting its

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Yes, even though the name today has "political significance," its name is a reflection of its location, geographically speaking: viz., the lands on the west-bank of the Jordan River. This is important, as it places the name in its first proper context, later to be associated with its "political

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I would propose here to add in the opening paragraph the following addition (here highlighted only for easy reference): "The West Bank (Arabic: الضفة الغربية‎ aḍ-Ḍiffah l-Ġarbiyyah; Hebrew: הגדה המערבית‎, HaGadah HaMa'aravit or Cisjordan is a landlocked territory near the Mediterranean coast of

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Jeppiz. Please provide proposed edits to remove "poorly written" and non-neutral wording. Comprehensive information on this topic is not common, since, as this proposed contribution states, Israel requires no reporting on these facilities. So one RS should be sufficient. Here is another source

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B’Tselem research has found that there are at least fifteen Israeli waste treatment facilities in the West Bank. Most of the waste they process is produced in Israel. Six of the facilities handle hazardous waste which requires special processes and regulatory supervision due to the dangers it

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Waste treatment facilities in the West Bank were built for processing waste generated inside Israeli sovereign territory. At least 15 waste treatment plants operate in the West Bank and most of the waste they process is brought over from within the Green line inside Israel proper. Of these 15

3462:- A, B, and C. Israeli tourist visas from the US allow visitation to any area. Otherwise, A is Arab only. C areas are under Israeli/Jewish State control. B are shared spaces. These areas include roadways and businesses. One published account of this can be found on HuffPost from 2013. 2355:

To the point. Yes, the state of Palestine claims the Palestinian territories, but the state of Palestine exercises no control over that territory, and it remains under belligerent occupation of another state. The West Bank cannot reasonably be said to be in a state called Palestine. You wrote

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Sepsis. You are making a moral argument. Parity of moral rights between Israel and Palestine is obvious, even though most editors on one side don't care to admit it. Parity of facts is another discourse. You cannot use an argument of moral parity to overwhelm the factual reality. Israel is a

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had published COGAT response for the story stating "The civil administration acts against illegal construction, and no organization is exempt from enforcement.COGAT has sent official letters to embassies and international organizations cautioning them against building illegally in Judea and

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That said, the matter is newsworthy, and might be included. The EU is accused of infringing Israeli law. Probably true. Israeli is infringing on its obligations as a military administrator of occupied foreign land in (a) both transferring its population there and (b) Articles 47-78 of the

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That is just an anomaly that comes with "etymological names," and is still relevant to its description, as far as the bulk of territories west of the Jordan River are concerned. If we wanted to be precise we could say "most of the West Bank's territory lying to west-bank of the Jordan

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is the diff from the last stable version. Ill take out the mfa bit as disputed, but the state of Palestine bit is covered above. I am not aware of any state that says that Palestine the state has any territory. If there are sources that say otherwise then please bring them forward.

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No, that is what you get when you don't read correctly. It said 2,676,740 + about 300,000 Israeli settlers, and that was not counting East Jerusalem. So the sources are in agreement, since 2,676,740 is almost the same as 2,800,000 and 300,000 + East Jerusalem is almost the same as

1627: 4074:. The Israel government requires no reporting by these West Bank facilities of the amount of waste they process or the risks they pose to the local population, and applies less rigorous regulatory standards to these facilities than it does to waste treatment facilities in Israel. 481:, sarcasm serves no useful purpose whatsoever on Knowledge. I happen to agree with you concerning both Regavim and the application of the law, but the tone of your message is entirely unhelpful. As for the actual content, I would prefer seeing this in some reliable media. The 1372:

Everybody knows? I didnt know that, and I think I have done more reading than what would be considered normal on this topic. A river bank extends how far? Because the West Bank extends further than what I think most people would call the end of the west bank of the Jordan.

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That looks reasonable to me. The lede is supposed to summarize the content of the article. Right now, the first section of the article, "Etymology," doesn't seem to have any corresponding content in the lede, so the inclusion of at least that much would seem reasonable.

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It would be helpful for American readers at a glance to include the square mile figures in parentheses after square kilometers. The numbers, if anyone with editing privileges cares to add them, are: land area = 5,640 km² (2,178 mi²) and water area = 220 km² (85 mi²).

1992:(the Israeli defense ministry unit which manages civilian affairs for Palestinians in the West Bank and liaises with Gaza) - does great disservice to this issue, besides being inaccurate. Our edit only seeks to obviate a distorted image of the "West Bank," and it is 2020:

I agree with the editors above, that the issue does not need to be in the very first paragraph. It is mention at the end of the lead in the most appropriate place. Which is why I, just like Nishidani, reverted to the previous version, which is IMHO more balanced.

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that, the main issue here is one of due weight. The view that the West Bank is anything other than Palestinian territory held under Israeli occupation is a minority view and it cannot be given the same weight as the super majority view. Your version does that.

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runs along the western bank of the Jordan. The parts where I like to take a dip as others think of baptism do. But when I am looking West from the northern Dead Sea, floating on salt, I am not looking over the western bank of the Jordan River towards the West

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illegal as everybody agrees so referring to them as such shouldn't be a problem. One mention of "illegal" is enough, IMO, and it should refer to illegal settlements, rather than the settlers, since that's how reliable sources describe that issue. Cheers, --

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created by Oncenawhile, there's a quotation from a British Colonial Office note written just prior to the 1921 Cairo Conference in which the areas to the west and east of a line running down the Jordan River are referred to as Palestine and Trans-Jordan.

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I dont think thats worded correctly, it is a political title that separated what Jordan claimed as its territory. It isnt simply a geographical name, and I dont think it is accurate to say it lies on the west bank of the river and I dont think the wording

4502:(b)Drop the routine crap message that B'tselem is not RS. Unless you can point to some decisive RSN board decision stating that (which doesn't exist), you are simply, once more, making a personal issue of distaste for the NGO out to be a policy result. 2571:, somewhere. Another matter altogether. This incidentally is what is behind David's original proposal, combined with Sepsis's proposal . The only difference is that the two are neutrally worded as to claims, and set forth the respective intentions. 1552:

According to Hebrew wiki, prior to 48, Israel as a whole was called 'the West Bank' which was then reduced after 1948 to what we currently know as WB. This makes the proposal inaccurate and should be mentioned in the etymology part (based on RS).

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I mostly agree. The map is supposed to indicate the situation now, so the enclave should be shown with the same status as West Jerusalem. The borders of the enclave have been disputed since 1948 but the map is too small to show the difference.

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Thanks! Yes you are right that it doesn't have to do with fairness. I also see that in the infobox the population is given at 2,862,485. But that doesn't include the settlers which I don't understand. The count should instead be about 3,461,000.

1076:". However, that is only a reason to remove the link, not the word as it is the name for the inhabitants who live there. I actually think that is the only thing that belongs there while the rest could be under another parameter mentioned at 743: 4174:

You seem to be confusing UNDUE with the RS rule. As far as RS, all we need is one RS to fully support a contribution. B'Tselem is a RS. Also, 972 is an on-line magazine, not a blog. It, too is a RS. Here is a third RS for the same story.

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Why put Palestinian flag map directions at the bottom ?? If anything, then put the Israeli flag! There are currently no Palestinian government in the West Bank. If you do not agree to put the Israeli flag, then do not put a flag there!

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a common word in English for the West Bank. More commonly, it appears in works of right-wing writers as a name for everything between the Jordan River and the Sea; they can't use "Palestine" for that since "Palestine includes Jordan".

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The barrier generally runs along or near the 1949 Jordanian-Israeli armistice/Green Line, but diverges in many places to include on the Israeli side several of the highly populated areas of Jewish settlements in the West Bank such as

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Alternative name for what? That is the former name for roughly the same area. The current name is West Bank. Nobody calls it Cisjordan now. Is one going to call Pakistan "British India" because a century ago it used to be part of it?

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onwards. The 'West' here thus meant, the 'Western' part of the Kingdom of Jordan in that country's usage. You can find 'the western bank of the Jordan' in early travelers' accounts, and even in war books from WW1 (F. M. Cutlack,

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with the recognition it has gained, but it does not control any territory and it shouldn't have anything listed as being 'in' it. But it should say Palestinian territories, because that is unquestionably a super majority view.

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Given the fact that Amnesty International represents an International organization with a good reputation, I think the best solution is to extract some informations of the correspondent report and write them into the article.

1570:, so let me ask all of our dissenters, "WHY is the 'West Bank' called the 'West-Bank,' and, let's say, not the 'East Bank,' or 'North Bank,' or 'South Bank.'????" I think that I've made my point. The reference here is to the 3345:

As of July 2015 it has an estimated population of 2,785,366 Palestinians, and approximately 583,000 Israeli settlers. About 260,800 Palestinians and 212,000 Israelis live in East Jerusalem which is the West Bank's largest

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My behavior? Seriously? Im the one that ignored multiple days of talk page discussion, made a vague wave to some unnamed source and then proceeded to tag an entire article over one phrase in the lead? Yeah, Im the problem

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As an alternative name, it should be precisely where it is. Even if the name is not in current spoken use, it is still found in numerous written sources as a term that used to be in active use less than a century ago.

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That is anb example of what I tried to hint at about 'opening a can of worms' when you tinker, Shakespeare would have said, when you 'think too precisely on th'event,' to get precision where the general sense is quite

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5. Even if you were correct on each of these points, editing the section may have been appropriate, but deleting the entire section was not. It makes me start to question gf when editors who should know better delete

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I dont think that should be in bold or even in the lead at all. If it is to be included then perhaps formerly known as, but it isnt currently known as Cisjordan, at least as far as I know. Thoughts on removing that?

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They most certainly are not equivalent which is why both should be presented. As I've stated, many nations recognize the WB as a part of Palestine and I want this recognition to continue to be mentioned in the lead.

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has officially declared the same territories "disputed territory," and that the people of Israel have ancient ties to the territories, as well as a continuous centuries-old presence there, being the cradle of Jewish

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of the Jordan River, and which, by nature, stretches also a little ways to the south of that geological place. This is important as far as etymology is concerned, and it does not take away from its new political

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We have a consensus that goes out of the first line. There is no consensus about just a proposal that an accurate statement regarding both the State of Palestine claim and that of Israel's dominant majority go

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The country that lies on the West Bank of the Jordan river is Israel/Palestine, since both Israel and the residual Palestine that is the West Bank have their boundaries on the Jordan river. Look at a map.

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finds such response supported by RS, etc., they should be added as appropriate. But my contribution should not have been deleted because of speculation that there may be an Israeli response sometime. --

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Muslim/Arabs have their children go to Christian schools, just as you will find a large number of Muslim children in Christian hospitals there. They are Arabs/Palestinians before anything else, as

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indicate that the term WB became common only recently. If that were done, maybe the lede might be revised to have a section or paragraph describing the history and historical names of the region.

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in the sentence which turns a limited sub-sector (Israeli plants) into the entire West Bank waste processing industry (Israeli and Palestinian). (b) B'Tselem does not meet the requirements of a

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We really shouldn't write about Israel's claims to the land while deleting all information about Palestine, the nation which most nations recognize the WB as actually belonging to, in the lead.

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I really started in my mother tongue, but I saw the English Knowledge has distorted many things that do not correspond to reality, and I come to fix them. But it's not about our discussion ...

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of these facilities are garbage dumps that endanger the purity of the mountain aquafer, which is one of the largest sources of water in the region." (I added bold here to illustrate my point.)

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So maybe you put the Turkish flag there, because in the past there were Turkish rule! Or maybe even put an eagle as the symbol of Rome! Once there were Palestinians, and today there are Jews!

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There's probably a story behind this, I think. Unless I'm mistaken the Regevim report came out last October, and did not make a splash. All of a sudden, it pops up before the elections, after

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I agree that the proposed change is an improvement, because it adds information and presents it more clearly. I do not think that fringe views or fairness have anything to do with it though.

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Not saying that the land is officially called 'Judea and Samaria' is a bold bias towards the Palestinian POV. I added that it 'also referred to as Judea and Samaria'. it lasted 3 days, until

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technical verification of claims by both parties. I see no difficulties with the passage as written that would warrant its removal. For an overview on ecology as warfare here see M. Mason,

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as a number of users have done over the last couple of years. A state is a political entity, not a place, and until it actually controls its territory it isnt a country and places are not

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David, reread the objections. You think I am playing a game? I'm extremely serious about language and points of usage, and your proposal is problematical for its referential imprecision.

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As of July 2015 it has an estimated population of 2,785,366 Palestinians, and approximately 371,000 Israeli settlers, and approximately another 212,000 Jewish Israelis in East Jerusalem.

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West Bank, including East Jerusalem is a Palestinian Occupied Territory according to the Security Council Resolutions so according to International Law. More, several States recognized

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have a point in that it should be quite early in the lead but at the moment, even the text in the section isn't right and should be updated. Then, we should have this discussion again.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20130630142150/http://www.econ.bgu.ac.il/facultym/arnona/Israeli_Policy_towards_the_Occupied_Palestinian_Territories_The_Economic_Dimension_1967-2007.pdf

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B'tselem, The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories, "Made in Israel: Exploiting Palestinian Land for Treatment of Israeli Waste," December 2017,

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First of all, I see no reason why Amnesty International shouldn't write propaganda. Its whole existence is fighting for certain causes, so that entails a great deal of propaganda.

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Quite correct, adjusted. There is no doubt whatsoever that a state of Palestine formally exists, it just has a virtual humpty-dumpty existence (mostly as a Quisling government).

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Yes, but I do not know good English, so a little hard for me to read the whole page, and see where you can add. So therefore, I would be happy if someone adds them ... thanks!

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Regarding to "correct and readable English": I am no going to revert this version, I've copied its text & RS to let us see what is the issue and (may be) to correct it. --

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In the context of the Jordanian division of Cisjordan and Transjordan yes its name was a reflection of its location. Beyond that it isnt. I understand what the English words

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disputed, when, in fact, they are. But to say in the lead that this contended issue known as the "West Bank" dispute has already been resolved and that it is now called the

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is not what I would call a respected newspaper, it's almost entirely devoted to juicy gossip about celebrities. Can a better source be found, and is this due in the article?

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Ideally, editors should be attempting to represent neutrally the contents of sources, preferably English-language ones, not their own opinions of what reality is, here.

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2007, though Israel's State Comptroller has acknowledged that most of the suicide bombers crossed into Israel through existing checkpoints. Its supporters claim that the

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by Eyal Weizman. The book includes a general discussion on the state of sanitation / waste disposal in the West Bank, including dumping of garbage by Israeli companies.

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Request for adding a source: ADVISORY OPINION OF 9 JULY 2004 "LEGAL CONSEQUENCES OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A WALL IN THE OCCCrPIED PALESTINIAN TERRITORY"

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The name "Judea" does not appear on maps of the British mandate, and there was no defined region whose boundaries approximated the present boundaries of the West Bank.

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published a story on 5'th of February 2015 titled "European Union ‘is breaking international law’ by funding illegal West Bank building projects" , The folowing day

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I take back my opinion. Upon closer inspection, the territories referred to when saying Cisjordan are larger than the region currently referred to as the West Bank.

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What's the need to have the term "rabbinic Judaism" in the infobox? Is there any other type of Judaism today? Could somebody please change it to simply 'Judaism'?--

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How can we solve the problem of writing about this topic without extremistic positions? And I would be happy to hear more opinions than this offered by Debresser.

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by Elisha Efrat. The book describes that the first dump for refuse imported from Israel was established in 2005, which could be in violation of international law.

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context." The English words "so-called" are often used in encyclopedic language when defining meanings of words in their ordinary and less-convoluted language.

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At least 15 waste treatment plants operate in the West Bank and most of the waste they process is brought over from within the Green line inside Israel proper

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At least 15 waste treatment plants operate in the West Bank and most of the waste they process is brought over from within the Green line inside Israel proper

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may be reason for blame, but not written in such a one-sided way. Many users seem to treat WP as a forum for their own views, not as a neutral encyclopaedia.

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that the people of Israel have ancient ties to the territories, as well as a continuous centuries-old presence there, being the cradle of Jewish civilization.

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which Israel is dutybound to uphold" because according to international law "an occupied territory or its resources may not be used for the benefit of the

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had reported that the construction had been probaby funded by the EHCO organization and published EU east jerusalem office response for the alegations.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20100726081628/http://www.jta.org/news/article/2010/07/22/2740184/carter-center-calls-for-end-to-east-jerusalem-deportations

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Until 1948 this area was also called by it's historical names Judea and Samaria, and we can find these names also on the maps of the British Mandate.

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Im not arguing that, Im arguing where and how. Im saying what was added is inadequate to the point of being inaccurate, and it didnt belong there.

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http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/diplomacy-defense/60208-150206-eu-reportedly-building-palestinian-settlements-in-israeli-controlled-west-bank

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Angus & Robertson, 1923 p.108. But these are just geographic indications, and lack the integral territorial sense of the phrase we now use.

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Any destruction by the Occupying Power of real or personal property belonging individually or collectively to private persons, or to the State,

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So since this proposal was almost a year ago, and no one objected, can the article be updated? It is (obviously) protected, so I can't do it.

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If your English is that lacking, I would suggest that you try editing in your native language Knowledge instead of English Knowledge, Cheers,

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Macmillan, 2010 p.209) while contended by some political parties in Israel as the object of either partial or total annexation.(Ilan Peleg,

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say that the West Bank is in Palestine. If there are sources that flat out say that the WB and the rest of the Palestinian territories are

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Any opinions here, fellow editors? Of course, all statements will be backed-up by sources. In the case of Israeli claims, we have cited an

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http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Report-EU-building-hundreds-of-illegal-structures-for-Palestinians-in-Area-C-of-West-Bank-390184

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ADVISORY OPINION OF 9 JULY 2004 "LEGAL CONSEQUENCES OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A WALL IN THE OCCUPIED PALESTINIAN TERRITORY"

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It is the most common name of the land in Israel and in the Israeli political discussion (I can cite many articles in Hebrew if you want).

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No "can of worms" has been opened. It's as simple as "apple-pie," and, what's more important, it adds more clarity to the subject matter.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20070405095349/http://www.btselem.org/english/Publications/summaries/200512_Under_the_Guise_of_Security.asp

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I disagree with the addition of both Palestinian and Israeli claims to the first sentence, and propose to keep the consensus version.

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is called what it is called in the lead, just not there where it, in my view, disrupts the flow, and not in a way that is inaccurate.

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So, Icewhiz, (a) drop your first complaint. The editor has paraphrased the original correctly, and your objections are to B'tselem.

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I suggest something along 'also referred to as Judea and Samaria' or even 'officially referred by Israel as Judea and Samaria'.

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for example. So this meaning creeps into English a tiny bit, but not enough to mention in the lead imho. I don't think it was

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https://web.archive.org/web/20090326181004/http://www.humanitarianinfo.org/opt/docs/UN/OCHA/OCHAoPt_ClosureAnalysis0106_En.pdf

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2. My final sentence does not refer to all of the 15 facilities. It specifically qualifies: "Experts have also warned that

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The topic is treated in the context of the occupation, so such discussion does not appear to be undue for this article. --

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If all you have is B'Tselem (which should be attributed if used) and a blog - it is definitely UNDUE in this article.

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The Reconstruction of Palestinian Nationalism: Between Revolution and Statehood:New Approaches to Conflict Analysis,

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As am I. Especially since this is what we had for a long time, and what we have on most West Bank-related articles.

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https://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/MDE15/007/2009/en/4c407b40-e64c-11dd-9917-ed717fa5078d/mde150072009en.html

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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Since it is impossible for me to edit this article, I'll just list what is wrong with the intro paragraph here:

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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I said that the paragraph reads like Palestinian propaganda. In simpler words, it is written not neutrally. See

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It is hereby argued which paragraph gives the greater balance in a disputed issue; a lead paragraph that reads:

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I added the following paragraph with the above title and it was removed. Please post below objections, if any.

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Since the count of Israelis living in East Jerusalem is given, the count of Palestinians should also be given.

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I do not see any reason for deletion this info & RS from article. There is the standard procedure to place

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may be included. The origins of the name seems to be important enough to be included quite early in the lead.

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have - agriculture, homes, factories and much more... And page not found even one picture from what I wrote!

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of the mountainous southern part of the historic Land of Israel, also known since 1948 as the West Bank"

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o one with any knowledge of the conflict could even think for a second that SoP does not claim the WB

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I do not know much English, and I can not read all of this page. Can you summarize for me please?

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In any case, I replaced all the sources by information from only one source, to keep it simple.

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Yes and a Google search will show that. It is used widely, though not as much as "Gazan(s"). --

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Why do not we see any image on which the prosperity that Israeli Localities in the West Bank?

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I would like to add a reliable citation in a place which a citation is said to be needed.

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the State of Palestine in these territories. This (wide) recognition was acted by Unesco.

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The consensus was to remove the last bit. So one can propose writing a sentence such as :

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or to other public authorities, or to social or cooperative organizations, is prohibited,

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If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with

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reported on the 6'th that a demolishen order had been requested by the (Israeli) PM .

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except where such destruction is rendered absolutely necessary by military operations.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20110524141551/http://www.aauj.edu/AAUJ_WEBSITE/index.php

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I have removed Cisjordan as an alternate name. Feel free to edit/revert/discuss etc.

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It's rather poorly written and relies on one single source for the whole paragraph.

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http://www.humanitarianinfo.org/opt/docs/UN/OCHA/OCHAoPt_ClosureAnalysis0106_En.pdf

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Regarding the objection that B'Tselem is not RS, please provide any information.--

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Let's get back to a working compromise. The objections above were to the phrasing:

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could you please explain why you say the article should say that the West Bank is

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So, if there are no further objections, I will make the addition tomorrow. Cheers.

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Yes, an article on Regavim is needed. A sample of their great humanitarian work:

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https://web.archive.org/web/20041211100305/http://www.passia.org/index_pfacts.htm

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The Australian Flying Corps in the Western and Eastern Theatres of War 1914-1918,

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I have now readded it and placed it first as "West Banker" is the the denonym. --

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https://972mag.com/how-israel-turned-the-west-bank-into-its-garbage-dump/131206/

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Ok, 1: list the place with a citation needed tag 2: List the reliable citation,

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have, I think it would be best for now to attribute the name to the Jordanians.

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Oh come now, David. My point is one of visual and topographgical accuracy. Not '

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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Thank you, K.e.coffman. We should add these sources to the piece to be added.--

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If you want that in the lead bring some sources. Or is that request not civil?

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Therefore, the edit is indeed relevant as it explains the origins of the word.

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Is "West Banker" am actual term? In a reasonable state of active use, I mean?

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It is used in many European languages for the West Bank since 1949/1950. See

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No! Who lives there? I or you ?! Israeli area completely (except for Area C)

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and when the outcome of that is reported, we may have an official response.

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What one may see, is that different RS+ do consider its info and use it. --

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Any way my first reply was about Nishidani's reasons for deletion in this,

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http://www.btselem.org/English/Publications/Summaries/200205_Land_Grab.asp

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Request that the ungrammatical opening sentence be fixed; e.g. change to:

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The West Bank and Gaza Strip: A Geography of Occupation and Disengagement

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Maps and borders is incomplete and biased. Please cite a neutral source.

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do you really think, that Amnesty International is providing propaganda?

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or something to that effect. We dont need to say "future" for the state.

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whole article gets tagged? Somebody else revert that foolishness please.

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The matter of waste dumping has been covered in other sources, such as

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UNDUE is often a matter of opinion. I suggest that you attribute (see

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I found several sources saying the term was coined by the Jordanians (

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https://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/F03D55E48F77AB698525643B00608D34

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Please add the following source to a footnote/reference in the LEAD:

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What exactly is being asked here as far as the article is concerned?

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Jordan named the land the 'West Bank', contrary to South Bank of the

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The barrier generally runs along or near the 1949 Jordanian-Israeli

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IDF confiscates 8 tarps meant to shelter Bedouin from winter storms

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says that name can be used in connection with the Mandate period.

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Israel's waste processed by treatment facilities in the West Bank

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http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5g7NNG7m5AEfoCjIspXI7lya2LTFg

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It's not the issue now how much Regavim differs from other NGOs.

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Icewhiz, 1. This is a cut and paste from the B'Tselem summary:

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Gary E. Machlis, ‎Thor Hanson, ‎Zdravko Špirić, Jean McKendry

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Sen. Clinton: I support W. Bank fence, PA must fight terrorism

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facilities, six process hazardous waste, including infectious

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Israeli Politics and the Middle East Peace Process, 1988-2002,

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so-called in that it lies on the west-bank of the Jordan River

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are very much alike. I think we can do with only one of them.

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It is located mainly within the West Bank, partly along the

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How is this any different from the contribution you deleted?

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Human Rights in the West Bank and Gaza: Legacy and Politics,

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and from the West Bank thereby undermining their economy.

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for additional information. I made the following changes:

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for additional information. I made the following changes:

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is now on the Palestinian Authority to fight terrorism.

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4. In the title, we can change "disposal" to "transfer."

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Warfare Ecology: A New Synthesis for Peace and Security,

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The difference is that the area is still Palestinian. --

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should be moved right above the paragraph that starts "

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Syracuse University Press, 1995 p.29;Hassan A. Barari,

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mean, Im saying it isnt good writing in that context.

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Judea and Samaria, Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

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The land was called Samaria under the British Mandate.

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as the area where they aspire to establish a future

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who is usually vociferous on these kinds of issues?

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Securityfence.mod.gov.il. Archived from 3909:http://www.aauj.edu/AAUJ_WEBSITE/index.php 3773:I have just modified 13 external links on 3224:http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0n1m0 3204:http://atlas.pcbs.gov.ps/atlas/default.asp 2994:I have just modified 23 external links on 5014:"Map of Palestine – Land of Israel, 1845" 4679: 4637: 4516:(a) There is a rather important missing 2849:Knowledge:Naming conventions (West Bank) 2822:Knowledge:Naming conventions (West Bank) 1724:Nice math there in the opening paragraph 98:Regavim behind the news. On EU buildings 4193:972 is a collection of blogs per their 3899:http://www.birzeit.edu/about_bzu/p/2542 14: 4912:"Indepth Middle East:Israel's Barrier" 4206:focused on pointing out the negatives. 3929:http://www.passia.org/index_pfacts.htm 189:BTW, as I see it's another reason for 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 3501:West Bank Areas in the Oslo II Accord 852:No comments? 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