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64.12.116.66, please stop replacing the Diana bit. The article could probably use some examples of "real omens", but "x happened on the day of a solar eclipse, and then y happened the day after a lunar eclipse" doesn't qualify. If I get around to it, I'll come back-- but for now, shorter is better.
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This article contains some information which is pure psuedoscientific opinion and conjecture. Also some issues with conforming to an encyclopedic npov. Will cleanup later.
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