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While I'm not on Turkish Knowledge, and I'm not a native Turkish speaker, the arson claim is a contentious issue, and until Turkish Knowledge decides that Yeni Şafak is indeed a reliable source, I'm strongly against its use, as it is an openly pro-government newspaper. I don't know about freenews but
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I don’t agree. We also have a primary source for the claim. The discussion on the Turkish vikipedi does not refer to the original statement. It’s very obvious they claimed it, and of course it’s not proven that they did it or not (yet). And I think the way how it is reflected in the article is quite
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is only kept as a "historical reference". As of August 6th, no examination seperated the discussion from the survey which I think hampers the quality the discussion. Also far less people participate in the debates. P.S. I am not telling you to not to trust them at all, just not as much as you do to
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Duh thanks for letting me know - I should have clicked on "red pine" and spotted that as I had never heard of "red pine" before in my life. Changed it to Turkish pine but taking this article off my watch list as I am not really interested in Knowledge policies so will let someone else take it from
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based on the timing, implications and tone of the published text, which makes the statement original research. Nevertheless it is a self-published primary source and we can't even actually verify if the site is an official channel or not (it's been online for 4 months). I think it's a clear
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In a couple of days we will have reliable sources about PKK and the fires, but as for now I highly doubt that we should be including primary and unreliable sources and feed the misinformation cycle any further. Even PKK mouthpiece ANF has not claimed anything.
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I think it was for Yeni Safak, as the jury is still out, considering there's no on-going dispute about the reliability of Karar I've remvoed the tag. The question remains though, now that we have a secondary source, is it ok to cite the primary source?
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Regardless of the outcome about reliability of the source in question, I would not suggest you to trust source examinations in Turkish Knowledge as much as the ones in English Knowledge because we don't have a well-defined RfC method. In fact, our
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violation. It is stated that "All analyses and interpretive or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary or tertiary source, and must not be an original analysis of the primary-source material by Knowledge
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The reason I'm not making the edit yet is because I want to get an opinion from more experienced editors on what is best practice in this situation. Should I fix the source in clear cut cases like this, or does that still count as a
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Karar seems to have been removed from the list but I don't understand why - to make it easy for people like me who have never heard of it before now should it not be in the list as green or pink or red or whatever your decision was?
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Thanks, I couldn’t know if I should be the one to mark it. As I’ve opened the discussion. I think I’ll wait a couple of days and tick if there are no further discusssion. With regards to PolitikYol, I have never heard of them.
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Thanks for quick response - "PolitikYol Haber Sitesi" has now been cited here. If you could add that to the list then we will have covered all the Turkish language sources in this article. And don't forget to green tick
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Hi, I have closed the talk for Karar in Turkish Knowledge because Rougehider himself said that he had "no doubts" that the source was "reliable" in his request. Hence, we decided we didn't need to discuss
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Those news media are known to parrot governmental statements, event when they don't make sense. I saw articles on their low journalistic standard, by the Guardian. I will try to find it for RSPS.
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The person who requested the source to be examined himself said "he was not suspicious of reliability of the source". So, I thought his request of the source to be examined was unsubstantial.--
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The site does never directly claim that they've caused the recent fires, and it reads more like a manifesto rather than talking about any recent wildfires. It is a (probably truthful)
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I am not sure but I would be interested to know whether the claim is on the English part of the primary source website - perhaps someone outside Turkey or with a VPN can tell us.
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When I click "English" on the archive I get a message "The Wayback Machine has not archived that URL." As it is blocked here could somebody outside Turkey look on
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which has close government ties. Thus its independency is in question. Furthermore they engaged in some controversies as stated in their article.
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Removed as suggested thanks. Why do you think "In a couple of days we will have reliable sources about PKK and the fires"?
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Merhaba Türkler - could any native Turkish speakers reading this try and bring the discussion about Yeni Şafak at
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violation? And if it does, I'm guessing that deleting the source would be best practice, but, well, is it?
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ones in English Knowledge and also note that the page is on the "brainstortming" state (beyin fırtınası).--
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Source: "forcing thousands of holidaymakers to be evacuated from their hotels by a flotilla of boats"
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Whoever tagged "unreliable source" do you mean "Yeni Şafak" or "Karar" or both? The discussion at
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This is a very hard question. You develop a sense over years, therefore it’s quite subjective.
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is accepted I guess this will have to be cancelled but until then please keep open thanks.
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So, I was anticipating this mistake from a Turkish source, and I think we have a very
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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below.
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By the way, Karar just quotes a Twitter post for the claim which is not reliable.--
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ANF literally reports every thing, even the most minor ones AÇİ had done since 2019
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of southern Turkey. In fact, the red pine's closest relative is the scots pine (
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I asked generally on Turkish Vikipedia about a year ago but no reply. Any idea?
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
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So I guess we’ll need to assume, reliable unless disputed. What do you think?
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Could you possibly add a link here to the discussion on Turkish Knowledge?
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its sourcing is directly from Yeni Şafak too, so removing both for now.
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As I have never heard of Karar could one of you add it to the list?
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so that future editors don't have to repeat the same arguments.
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with a suitable color? It is being used again as a cite here.
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withdrawing as "in the news" and I understand cannot be both
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How to tell which Turkish language sources are reliable?
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and see if the arson claim is there in English please
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If you are happy with the hook I will add the source.
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