2101:. The other is the classical thermodynamic approach that defines heat as energy in transfer by mechanisms other than thermodynamic work or transfer of matter. For some decade or so, Knowledge's thoroughly debated editorial consensus preferred the latter. At present, I do not have the strength to try to restore it. The reason for the thermodynamic approach is partly that, in thermodynamics, absolute temperature is not defined until the second law has been stated, and that it is desirable to define heat solely in terms of the first law before stating the second law. Nowadays, the SI definition of temperature is not that of classical thermodynamics; nowadays, the SI definition of temperature is classified in thermodynamics as an empirical temperature, as distinct from the absolute thermodynamic concept. The classical thermodynamic approach has the advantage that it makes it a matter of pure logic that for a closed system, energy transfer is by either thermodynamic work or heat. It may be worth remarking that mechanical work is distinct from thermodynamic work, and that energy transfer with matter cannot be uniquely resolved into work and heat. It is also relevant that Planck (1927) gives emphasis to the production of heat by friction as an irreversible process.
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It has been shown that the atomic wavefunction traversing the Stern-Gerlach magnet immediately collapses to one spin eigenfunction when a field quantum is absorbed by the atom. (See the "Importance" section of the S-G page.) This contradicts almost a hundred years of mistaken explanation in our
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Great, I think that is the basis for reworking the article to reflect what you have uncovered so far. Don't try to give a definition, but just point to issues and examples as you have done here. To me that reflects the sources much more than what is there now.
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