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articles. I'm making a push to finish that cleanup, and I've been noticing that punctuation, currency symbols, and spaces have the same problem. It looks weird to have the full-width versions mixed in, and they sometimes leak into English-language text. My plan was to start converting punctuation and currency symbols in horizontal text (except where the characters themselves are being discussed) when the July 1 database dump becomes available in a week or two. If you have any questions, objections, concerns, or suggestions, please let me know! Open-circle full stop is not included; the affected characters are:
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specific genres. I would not want to limit groups to one genre in the lead sentence when they perform several different genres, even if it can be argued that one genre is more prominent than the others. For example, the article on Ive also lists J-pop, because they have original Japanese songs. Wouldn't describing Ive as a "South Korean K-pop girl group" be misleading? Therefore, I think it is appropriate to explain the specific genres they perform later, while establishing the subject of the article in a broader sense at the beginning.
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Excluding or limiting the K-pop reference in the lead means globally dismissing the vaste amount of conceptual references, industry practices, cultural norms that go along with these K-pop groups. Both generally but also specifically for each group. There are countless references that connect each of
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Some articles for Korea about places and things are I think unfairly bleak reading. I think it's because we have a disproportionate number of people interested in Korea's wars (particularly the Korean War) and in little else about Korea, which has led to a sharp imbalance that unfairly hurts Korea's
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Again, as long as "k-pop" is mentioned prominently in the first few sentences, I don't think this debate is that important. Those articles missing it in the lead should have it added somewhere, but I don't care where, as long as the prose flows naturally. Could be any of the first few sentences. The
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is active on a number of airport articles in Asia. It is an editor who never ever adds sources to an addition, never ever responded on attempts to communicate and often removes connection without explaining why. Very annoying, but he is not a vandal. After all, part of his edits are valid (removing
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for his ICC candidacy published by the South Korean Foreign Ministry refers to him as Keebong Paek (which is the Western name order, given name first). I'm not sure whether I should infer from this that "the subject is known to prefer otherwise" – for all I know, the Ministry might have a policy of
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Also I want to make it clear, since the title of the RfC was modified after I opened it, that I edited specific pages where I feel the sources more than adequately refer to the groups as "Kpop group". I had no intention of modifying 20+ pages in a sweep. Also note that two of the pages I had edited
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I'm asking mostly out of intellectual curiosity. I don't think it's that important to have "k-pop" in the first sentence, even if there is a consensus on this topic. A significant chunk of people globally know that k-pop is South Korean pop music, not worried anyone will misunderstand the situation
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is mostly meaningless. It mostly consists of people, but it is difficult to find hanja names for modern people. Even Korean-language sources today usually do not give hanja for personal names. (Chinese-language sources are unreliable for Korean hanja names because they "make up" one when the actual
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No commenters so far; please note that this is a major topic with significant impact. Its implications could affect almost every North Korea-related article on Knowledge. If no discussion from this Wikiproject, I may move to an RfC, which I'm hesitant about because this topic requires some subject
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Please hold off on removal until consensus is obtained. I'm not sure removal of "!" is needed. I'm skeptical of how useful this category is because of how difficult the task is, per your original comment, but don't see the need to deprecate it either. But I want to hear more rationale if you have
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I think "South Korean" and "girl group" sufficiently establish the subject of an article. Blackpink is a girl group from South Korea that performs several genres, including K-pop, according to the infobox and Artistry sections of the article itself. "South Korean girl group" does not describe any
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The page you mentioned clearly says "BRD does not encourage reverting, but recognizes that reversions happen. Revert only when necessary." and links to... the page I mentioned. Status quo should be prefered only "in some cases of fully developed disputes, while they are being resolved". So... The
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are especially important and actually somewhat doable to fix. I feel like someone just needs to have 2-3 solid academic books (should be some in English), and then they can scrap the old articles almost entirely and do their own rewrites. Both articles are poor enough that a good complete rewrite
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Greetings! Over the past few years, there have been no objections to converting Latin letters and Arabic numerals to ASCII from their full-width forms when they appear in horizontal Chinese, Korean, or Japanese text. I've raised it on MOS and Wikiproject talk pages and made many cleanup edits to
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While i do support Flabshoe1 as well, I want to say that putting it as a simple term was the less disputable version I could have imagined. I was clearly wrong. But when I'll try to even add the slightest controversy to a lead section while refering to K-pop I doubt it will go better. Despite
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Because it is the most concise way to refer to a complex set of industry practices that do not only relate to a musical genre. This is the exact same thing that "girl group" does by the way, only with a different scope. Maybe my argument is not convincing, but at least it should be taken into
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I think one of the problems we have for these articles is that Sejong and Yi happen to be the two most famous Korean folk heroes, and many Korean books and articles about them are written in a very subjective, narrative manner. I don't live near a library, but I can certainly look up for more
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Granted, you're right in that that category is probably especially useless; I'm sure few people have ever seen it; I hadn't heard of it until you pointed it out. But still, if it's not hurting anyone and it is identifying a valid problem, I don't see why we should do away with it altogether.
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Those groups are clearly established as "K-pop groups". It is arguably the main single most prominent information about these groups, capable of encompassing many others: they get through a K-pop trainee system, their videos refer to K-pop production practices, they share visual grounds etc
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K-pop is not only a music genre, but refers to a set of industry practices that these groups shares, or at least refer to extensivelly. Also please note that I wasn't looking for a stiff requirement, I tried to add it to a few groups and got reverted and that's why I wanted to discuss
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mentions. Even the definition of K-pop is hard to say and disputed. If we’re talking about Japanese or American, they naturally stray even farther from that definition, so I don’t see why it is relevant that its becoming an popular international genre. Keep it the way it is.
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I have more proposals for the MOSKO/NCKO; some of these are relatively uncontroversial so I expect them to pass quicker. After the current proposal concludes I'll try to bundle some uncontroversial modifications together as a package to reduce discussion bloat/fatigue.
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Westernization and he might be opposed to it. But this is also the form of the name that's consistently used to refer to him at the ICC, and even a Google search restricted to .kr sites yields a lot more hits for Keebong Paek than for Paek Keebong. On the other hand,
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I mean that would be at least something. For me that is the prose that flows more naturally, because that is how the vast majority of the sources call them. I am not against at least having some kind of direct reference to K-pop. I've just noticed that actually for
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I'm going to make a point of trying to balance out this kind of info going forward; please join me in it if you can. Again, we of course want to preserve the truth and provide enough tools for people to do more reading about the dark topics without harping on them.
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Agree with this. I don't think the exclusion of "k-pop" from the very first sentence somehow minimizes their link to k-pop, especially not if the mention comes within one to two sentences afterwards. "South Korean K-pop girl group" is also wordier. OP's comment of
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I welcome others to review my additions. Sorry if I stepped on any toes when editing the article. The topic is on a sensitive area for South Koreans, and wanted to contribute more South Korean perspectives and context to it before it appears on the front page.
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Both of these examples get immediate mentions of the prominent genres they operate in and their place within the context of that genre, which is the way we should be handling this in my opinion. Putting K-pop in the first sentence is not necessary.
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I am not strict on first sentence either, I just think that the lead should be able to include the K-pop term not exclusivelly as a genre but as a set of industry practices. This was your first question and I've seen no argument against it yet.
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Because, as I have already stated, it is in my opinion a misunderstanding to try to find another spot in the lead that portrays these groups as if they relate to K-pop as a genre, similarly to EDM or others. Because K-pop is not exclusivelly a
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A gentler guidance would be "k-pop should generally be prominently mentioned in the first paragraph"; I think nearly everyone would agree with this. There's no reason to have a stiff requirement to have the first sentence mention it.
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Very little people in the enwiki participate in editing obscure Korean history subjects like this, so I won't expect things to improve anytime soon. In the meantime, I'll go ahead and try translating some articles from the kowiki.
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start dates of new connections, removing connections after they ended). He has a talk page full of warnings but zero response. I tried to approach him in multiple languages, but zero response. I am at wits end, what do do next?
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I want to hash this out because 1. there seemingly hasn't been an adequate past discussion on why we don't use NK's romanization and 2. I want to avoid mixing/matching NK romanization style guidelines with MR style guidelines.
3005:: I believe that it is unnecessary to require a mention of K-pop in the first sentence of a lead. However, I do believe it can be integrated into the lead of articles in a relevant way. For example, the creator of this RFC used 3761:(or broader international articles) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts. 3510: 3076:
I can also support this. I've gradually understood that not relegating K-pop as a simple term to put together with girl group could actually benefit the lead by developping the K-pop connection in a second paragraph, for
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I feel that much speaks in favour of using the form Keebong Paek that all his work at the ICC (by far his most prominent activity so far) will be associated with, but it would be a stretch to say that the subject is
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Tl;dr what I'm proposing is effectively the status quo for North Korean romanization (McCune–Reischauer and not NK's romanization), except for having all MR personal names not having hyphens or spaces in them.
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Pretty likely they're just ignoring feedback. They've made over a thousand edits. Feel like some kind of sanction is appropriate, even if temporary just to get their attention. Surprised nothing was done
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Especially because groups that are associated with K-pop have leads that seem, to me, as mostly filled with achievements and prizes. So there is space. It is just much more work, but it makes sense.
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Does anyone know of any biographies on Sejong that are considered authoritative/essential? I'm mostly seeing stuff meant for casual readers when I search... I want whatever dry books historians use.
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I believe I have noticed a systemic error in some editors' interpretation of site guidelines and policies insofar as accepting the stylization of Korean pop groups. Not only would policies such as
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If it seems indirect, I'm ok with revising the article to make it more direct. First sentence mention I'm not strict on. That's all I have to add to this topic; I'm repeating myself at this point
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A girl group from South Korea could very well not be a K-pop group. Those are K-pop groups and most source refers to them as such and comment on those very elements that constitute K-pop in them.
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I don't think it's necessary to add "K-pop" alongside "South Korean." While it makes sense to include it for genre purposes, adding it next to "South Korean" doesn't seem needed or beneficial.
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I recently gave the reliable sources list a reformatting. I also made some editorial decisions in removing some sources from the list, but I wasn't particularly rigorous. Honestly looking at
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K-pop is indeed genre. And btw, I'm not and won't be discussing this topic in a restrictive format of just "girl group" as you could have seen above in my reply, I've included other types.
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Just to add some additional information, Blackpink being K-pop is currently mentioned two sentences later in the lead in context of the group’s genre, which is the version I restored.
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A further thought; part of this is influenced by English-language coverage of Korea, which also tends to fixate on Korea's tragic past. Drama sells books and gets views in the news.
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Update: the discussion is still ongoing, some of the claims being made are even more explicitly revisionist than before. Some of such claims have gone completely unchallenged.
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This was begrudgingly complicated, but hopefully this MOS will be clear for years to come. Let's hope one system eventually wins out in future; that'll let us simplify this.
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situation. In the past, a short block has been used to catch TCHY editors attention, however it is risky. This sort of editing seems common on airport articles at any rate.
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In your opinion, which category of articles are most in need of attention? I can help with Korean sourcing and translation since I'm pretty confident in both languages.
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There's a sizeable backlog of draft articles waiting to be evaluated if anyone's willing to go through them. I've also contributed a good chunk of these recently lol
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page it shows, in the lead already, why it is not only a genre but also a general set of production mechanism etc Which is what I feel is missing from these leads
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these groups to the K-pop umbrella, all already included on the pages. It should definetelly have a prominent role in the lead, as the mention of "girl group" has.
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Which is already a better look than the Illit page, which has 0 references to K-pop in the lead. For me the issue is still relevant for the reasons I mentioned.
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has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the
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On the main WikiProject page, I added a subsection to "resources" that serves as a guide for images. Please feel free to add more websites/advice to this list.
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But why do you think that K-pop means exclusivelly a music genre? Doesn't it carry similar, but more specific, elements that the concept of "girl group" does?
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A newly-arrived SPA has been removing the claimed hanja for the 'gul' of hangul, and changing romanisation. They claim "nonsense", which is not likely. See
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are used all the time in pop culture articles but they're considered unreliable sources. This list should be maintained and enforced with more rigor.
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Speaking in general, Top/High importance pages for the WikiProject need a lot of attention. Any page you choose from there would be great to work on.
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should be used in a different part of the lead, when summarizing on their musical style or genre coverage, etc, rather than the opening sentence
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has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the
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Using "by a K-pop female act" without previously establishing that they are one doesn't flow naturally at all for me. What do you think?
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My point is this: Is it really possible to find actual hanja names and fill in those parameters (and remove articles from that category)?
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should hopefully help. The sources I added should already have been Wikilinked too; almost all the sources each have their own articles.
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globally dismissing the vaste amount of conceptual references, industry practices, cultural norms that go along with these K-pop groups
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Running from October 1 to 31, 2024, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme
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consideration instead of exclusivelly talking about K-pop as a genre. Also, I looked up the opening of the Britney Spears article.
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There's no "aha" moment here; this is the same opinion I've had since the beginning. The question had no bearing on my opinion.
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Pages with excess dark info I think fortunately tend to have low pageviews, so I think this overall doesn't worry me too much.
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Korean-language coverage is of course much more varied. This is another reason why more Korean speakers are needed on Enwiki.
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in the other portion of the lead, in addition to already specifying where you should place them on. Which part of including
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there is a reference to K-pop in the lead, I had missed it because for me this kind of formulation is hilariously indirect.
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I get what you mean. This is why I mostly make/contribute to the pages of the SK films and production companies instead.
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I will ask a Request for Comment to other editors to see what people that are not watching K-pop pages think about this.
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Encyclopedia, etc.), but all of them do not contain significant coverage of the subject except for the one from Naver (
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I don't agree with your status quo argument. As far as I could read Knowledge doesn't have a bias towards status quo (
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Also, if you're interested in North Korean restaurants those need coverage too. I'm unlikely to get around to those.
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It's largely the same as current guidelines, but with I think stronger theoretical backing on each of the decisions.
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A quick naver search does reveal an article which talks about the company's contract with Shinhwa in 2003 and 2006 (
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Nothing melodramatic, nor limited at the "genre", it is just more precise that "South Korean" or "girl group" alone.
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in other portion of the lead aligning with others high-quality BLP articles practices is so hard to understand on?
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singer in the first sentence. I believe South Korean girl groups should follow the same lead. For example, in the
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I've been realizing that our coverage of restaurants in both Koreas is pretty poor. Before my additions, a lot of
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clearly K-pop groups, with endless references to support it, and I don't see why they shouldn't be called as such
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My feelings on the article are mixed, but this quote made me notice a pattern I hadn't fully processed before.
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She gets an immediate mention to her most prominent genre, this, at the very least, seems mandatory to me.
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The presence of inconsistency with tagging problems doesn't mean that we should abandon tagging altogether.
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I'm not sure if they have locations in Seoul at present. There's a restaurant with that name currently in
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Request for comment for including specificity (K-pop) in South Korean artist labeling in the lead
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But seeing all my additions reverted, I would get curious at some point and want to know why...
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says "Unless the subject is known to prefer otherwise, family name should be written first."
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Which was why I and other editors already stated that we are not stopping you from including
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The four Korean literati purges imo each deserve an article of their own. The Reshuffles(
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The technical details address several ambiguities that have previously caused confusion.
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is a possibility. However, this has been going on for months. You could report them to
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I think the user is correct, and they provide reasonable evidence for their point. See
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Her connection to pop is integrated in a relevant way rather than having American
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is inconsistent with other high-quality BLP articles, including FA-class (e.g.,
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for making a centralized discussion, which I didn't know how or where to make.
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Adding onto the restrictive RfC. Should South Korean boy band (for example:
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I doubt either Good Entertainment or its parent company GoodEMG will meet
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Have you tried sending an email via the "email this user" function?
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Besides the technicalities maybe you can also comment on the issue?
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be referred to as "South Korean K-pop girl group" in the lead?
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was chains, fast food, or family restaurants. Compare to
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be titled in this way, as their current titles violate
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Why a K-pop group shouldn't be called a... K-pop group
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is reflected by User350 perfectly in their comment.
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article K-pop is mentioned prominently in the lead:
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Knowledge:Manual of Style/Korea-related articles
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List of Korean given names
List of the most popular given names in South Korea
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