2307:. But it was such a fight to even get what we did get. And I'm finding that with any article and every discussion about Indigenous and Native American related topics. It becomes such a struggle to fight against these entrenched racist view points. How can I be expected to participate in a project under principles that I must agree with and support that does not recognize our Indigenous identity with the same respect other races and ethnicities are given. How am I expected to collegially edit where my views are openly mocked in discussions by fellow editors. It doesn't matter what evidence is brought forward when others can simply dismiss those sources as nonreliable without any discussion about the sources themselves. When editors can openly mock others and nothing is done about it. When they can present racist views and those views are supported by the community and forced upon us as a condition to edit. I will not participate in that kind of project. When they are rewarded for their expressed views, celebrated even. In those discussions, my identity as an Indigenous person was reduced to no more than a simple adjective. Besides I would inevitably be blocked at some point for edit warring when my edits of "indigenous" to "Indigenous" were reverted anyway. Why put myself through that? I will let Knowledge and those editors cling to their racist views and colonial values. I will be able to hopefully come back to the table when I and the identity of fellow Indigenous editors is respected among other races and ethnicities. --
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opposing view points of editors on this
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a requirement or considered best practices to be actively accountable for our work and efforts here. Why the pressure to perform on cue? There are waves of activity in human nature, for example academics may slow way down on their participation during the school year, and be more active during breaks from teaching, or vice versa. There are also waves in a person's focus and attention. There have also been "active" members who have had health problems (or other real life issues) or log-on problems and thus are not as active as before. I don't think we should be getting rid of or merging WikiProjects just because editors are not "keeping up with the Jones" of super-active projects. Knowledge is not a race-to-the-finish line, nor a competition or contest; there are no deadlines - we are UNPAID VOLUNTEERS
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Knowledge and Indigenous communities. The last few discussions have been appalling. At least with the off-wiki discussions, I finally read them, I can say the criticism, though some of it misguided, is at least coming from a place of trying to, in their minds, respect a person Indigenous identity. I can't say that about some of the discussions on wiki that I've been a part of or watched recently. It is absolutely a new low and disheartening that I am supposed to work with these people that don't respect for other humans. Knowledge does have rules but those rules are not supposed to hurt the encyclopedia and this clearly does hurt the effectiveness of Knowledge to relate to its readers. --
1745:. But this of course is not an issue that is relevant only to North America. As someone relatively active in editing articles relating to Indigenous peoples elsewhere (especially South America), the first I heard of that was when S. America-related articles on my watchlist started getting moved. Which was great to see â but a surprise. So you see both sides of the coin there: on the one hand, the activity of WP IPNA achieved an outcome that benefitted global coverage of Indigenous peoples. On the other, there was a missed opportunity for editors active in other regionsâincluding Indigenous editorsâto participate in the discussions and potentially make it easier to gain consensus.
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remarks and mocking our positions on topics very important to us and allied editors. I feel a generalized name gives them reason to attack us and topics related to this wiki-project further. This wiki-project has a very specific, focused and proper name for a group of people with more of a common history, geographically and politically, than they share with other similar groups around the world. --
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2244:, I hope you know I was not addressing you in my rant about active/inactive - my comments and rhetorical questions were towards "the powers that be", meaning functionaries, admins, closers, etc. I wrote what I wrote while in a state of shock and dismay and I wasn't being clear or cool-headed. Gonna go dunk my head in some cold water now. :)
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America seems like a massive scope. But the sad reality is that the number of editors actively working on it is in the single digits, at best. There is simply no way to get a group that can sustain the level of participation that you guys have here without up-merging. Broad scopes can and do work. Above you mentioned
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Indigenous peoples would still be quite niche in the grand scheme of things, considering we
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there was very little activity there, however this has changed and at times there has been a lot of activity and collaboration with newer editors. Why should we feel the need to "report" to the powers that be that we have been actively collaborating on various articles? In fact I never knew that was
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Subjugation, assimilation and genocide seems to be the hand that is played over and over. It is abhorrent and so persistent that one need not assume good faith on the part of those supporting when they use policy from their own view point to promote a racist agenda and actively mock and ridicule the
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of the artist's interpretations of the subject or person depicted. Paintings in particular from the 19th and early 20th centuries present a romanticized, dramatized or otherwise fictional representation. Some of these paintings are highly realistic in technique but do not represent "reality" in the
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It seems as though Knowledge's bias against Indigenous people stands. I am appalled at the support this racist agenda received by so many editors here to the point I feel as though I can't edit effectively edit under this agenda. Knowledge will never receive the support of Indigenous communities so
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Diluting this project by combining it with other projects that appear to be at least semi-inactive has in my view the unintended consequence of diminishing what this project has accomplished. Expecting those accomplishments to somehow carry over to other areas where current participants have little
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not employees of WP where such expectations may be more appropriate. Wikiprojects help to build positive working relationships for editors with common interests; the results - even if at a snails pace -are improvements to the encyclopedia. Personally, I'm beginning to feel more and more like WP is
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are dead â and that's using a very generous definition of activity. I would love it if we could revive all of these small projects, but experience shows that it simply isn't realistic. There's a certain level of participation that's needed for a wikiproject to sustain its activity in the long-term
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It does not make sense to me to merge WP:IPNA nor WP:IPA into an overarching Wikiproject Indigenous peoples - it is too vast and there are way too many cultural, geographic, customary and historical differences to lump all Indigenous people together. As Yuchi says, Indigeneity is a global concept.
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is a global concept and includes Indigenous peoples from Asia, Oceania, Africa, and Europe. Honestly most of the those are outside most of our spheres of knowledge and will likely guarantee they are neglected. Indigenous peoples of South America are already fairly neglected (although I try to edit
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I understand your concern. I make a habit of trying to check the sources when I have time. My understanding, based on the research I've read here and there, is Knowledge is more reliable than the majority of comparable sources. I'm not certain our concerns are the same (but they might be), but
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then that solidifies my position further that the bias against Indigenous subjects, topics and persons is so prevalent on Knowledge that it is the defacto position in every discussion before any evidence is presented and little can persuade differently when the position is that Indigenous sources
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I was not disparaging anyone or any project by saying âthey donât look incredibly activeâ (did not use the term âinactiveâ). I was just pointing out that the editors of these project are likely experiencing similar negative experiences that we are experiencing and good be potential allies. Adding
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Hopefully when it's closed who ever does it we'll see the disconnect between the random links vs the style guides. Basically we have someone saying look at the Chicago manual style or United Nation they doesn't capitalize in everyday usage....... Yeah both places have a style guides that say you
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The same issues apply to photographs. Photographers of the 19th and early 20th century frequently posed the subjects of their photographs and supplied costumes and props (this was true for photos of all persons, not just Indigenous persons). There is a real problem in trying to convey how far an
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is active, and it looks like they are seeing similar challenges with terminology. While especially Native Americans' political issues and status are unique, our different WikiProjects share the challenge of being outnumbered by editors who don't know and don't care about the facts in our subject
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WP:IPAustralia and WP:IPAmericas show up on your link below as "Active" not "struggling". Has anyone tried to contact the participants of those projects to reinvigorate them? Or checked to see if articles relevant to those areas have been created, but the WikiProject template simply has not been
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Speaking as a talk page lurker, I really don't think a merge or name change is going to solve anything. People contribute where their interests and expertise lie, and that isn't going to magically change through a merger (or anything else). A name change (such as the recommendation above to add
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Same with medical articles, of course we have MEDRS for that. Wish we had INDRS or something like it which clearly defined what is a good reliable source for Native American or Indigenous identity and how best to define/label. We don't have that and it has caused a major rift, imo, within the
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I'll add that I disagree with Moxy. I think this is a serious issue and it will become more serious when we start seeing good faith edits reverted where Indigenous is capitalized in articles. This isn't an effort to remove errant language from a guideline or essay. This an effort to force a
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IPNA is an active project and it could water-down its effectiveness and the work we do here; to my mind, it seems more pro-active to try to recruit editors to the less-active projects like IPAmerica and IPAustralia. Changing the name of IPA to IPSouth America is fine with me, as long as
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Just wondering if anyone has tried to contact the participants of those two Projects to reinvigorate them and ask them to document whether or not they are coordinating collaborative editing but just not announcing that they have done so on the Project talk page?
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that they are paintings or painted representations of the people, events or environments they depict.
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