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Copyediting the well-written and accurate article would improve it further; but a review that has had only style concerns addressed is incomplete. Checking references is often the hardest part of a review, especially if they are offline; as much as possible, the comprehensiveness of the article and the accuracy of its sources should be a priority during review. Editors should not be tempted to do the easy part, and leave the prose and content unconsidered.
118: 80: 487:– determination of a picture's feature-worthiness is not a vote. Support opinions without reasoning may be discounted if there are concerns with the picture, especially relating to encyclopedic value. Oppose opinions without reasoning don't help the participants in determining whether they should fix the problem(s) with the picture and may also be discounted in a similar manner. 24: 493:. Minor technical faults may be forgivable if they do not detract from the overall image quality. Additional leeway may be given to pictures that are relatively hard to replace and/or have few free alternatives. Of course if such technical faults do detract from the overall quality, the image is unlikely to be featured. 356:(not "Do not space em dashes"). It is perfectly open to a nominator to rebut a complaint by saying "well I like them". The weakest form of recommendation is "please consider", which covers useful suggestions. We have complied with this if the possibility mentioned has been considered, whether or not it has been adopted. 365:
Until August 2007, they recommended, without qualification, using both metric and Anglo-American units whenever a measurement was mentioned—a good thing for most articles; exceptions were added for scientific articles, which should use metric, and articles on the history of maritime law, which should
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Do remember that the style guidelines differ in the force with which they make suggestions. There are many parts of MOS that are expressed in ways that make them explicit recommendations: these cannot be used by reviewers as a basis for opposing FAs. For example, em dashes are not "normally" spaced
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Our copyediting rules are guidelines, which are recommendations; they should be followed (as guidelines ought to be), but it is better to have a clear, well-written, neutral, accurate article with copyediting problems than a badly written and erroneous polemic with perfect dashes and italicization.
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Also remember that the style guidelines are a few pages, whereas many published guidelines are whole books. Our guidelines often generalize, giving advice, without qualification, that is sound for many articles, but not all. Use common
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will only mention such exceptions when they have become a problem, and someone has added them; for example, MOS does not mention, on this same subject, that galaxies are measured in lightyears or parsecs, which are not
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It is a lot easier and quicker to fix obvious typos and formatting glitches yourself rather than typing how to fix them. Also makes for a shorter discussion page at the FAC itself, although if there is
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In general, folk who nominate articles at FAC have put a lot of work into them and as such emotions can run high in nominations. Thus, anything which keeps a positive spin communication in the case of
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Be humble; I often assume an apologetic/conciliatory tone. If an article is really falling short and fails in many areas, offer some pointers on where or what to do rather than just 'PR'.
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Say what you think good about the article, as well as the flaws. If you are commenting on purely stylistic issues because the content and writing are excellent, it will help to say so.
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All aspects of an article should be brought up to the highest possible standards, but it is helpful to distinguish between certain aspects, some of which are "more equal than others":
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MediaWiki has a thumbnailing algorithm to deal with large images. If you can't view an image at 100% because of its size, then don't support or oppose the image.
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Try to focus on how to fix rather than what is wrong; remember the ultimate aim is to create featured articles regardless of who writes them.
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Clarity and readability are essential to the purpose of Knowledge. If an article can't be read or understood, it might as well be deleted.
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review. The community should ensure that the discussions are polite, helpful and informative, both for the participants, and for Raul.
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It contains the advice or opinions of one or more Knowledge contributors. This page is not an encyclopedia article, nor is it one of
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Reviewers are neither judges nor schoolmasters; nominators are not pupils, much less defendants. We are fellow editors.
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and little or no improvement. Please help by introducing links to this page from other related project pages.
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Be conciliatory, especially if the nominator is inexperienced at featuring deliberation. Consider writing, "
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We require, as core policy, that articles be accurate, neutral, and verifiable.
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the Manual of Style is neither a fortification or a commandment.
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to keep morale and mood good is essential. Some hints include:
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List of policies and guidelines to cite in deletion debates
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in place and transportation related deletion discussions
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use nautical miles, without converting them every time.
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link to this page. This may result in the page having
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Policies and guidelines to cite in deletion debates
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Knowledge's policies or guidelines
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project pages
low readership
Knowledge discussions
Deletion discussions
Deletion reviews
Adminship discussions
Edit wars
Feature discussions
Place/transportation deletion
File deletion discussions
Template deletion discussions
On discussion pages
Subjective importance
But there must be sources!
Arguments to make in deletion discussions
How to save an article nominated for deletion
Policies and guidelines to cite in deletion debates
Articles for deletion
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