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803:: "Although not present on the British Museum piece, short inscriptions do sometimes occur in association with portraits on genuine brushed technique medallions. In instances where they have been recorded, they are exclusively produced in Greek inthe Alexandrian dialect of Egypt (Crum, in Breck 1926/1927, p. 353). These inscriptions sometimes take the form of prominent assertions of skill or virtue (e.g. Glass of the Caesars1987, no. 153). However, shorter less prominent inscriptions are apparently more common. The inscription BOYNNEPI KEPAMI on the Brescia medallion depicting an adult female and two youths, possibly a mother and her two children, was interpreted by Albizzati as referring to the ‘father of the family’, who, it should be noted, is missing from the scene (Albizzati 1914, p. 253). Morey, however, states that the small inscription is the signature of the artist, and that KEPAMI, or ‘potter’, may just as well denote a glass-worker(Morey 1942, p. 216; Glass of the Caesars 1987, p. 265). " Clearly, these academics are exposing possible theories so I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that this has been completely disproved by all academia when they are simply theories, also if it was so proven, then the museum would have clearly mentioned your theory as truth, which it doesn't. The change I made to the caption shows these two sides so I think you should revert it. 661:, that covers the Diadochi-period armies. How this arose, I'm uncertain of. It does make some sense, however, as the Macedonian army of Philip and Alexander was very unlike contemporary Hellenic armies, and it was hugely successful. In contrast, he armies of the Diadochi were all very similar to each other, with some minor distinctions like the use of elephants. To treat the military of the Macedonian kingdom as a continuum, from Philip II to Perseus, would probably be misleading as all the successor states claimed a direct inheritance from the state of Alexander, and the brief metamorphosis of Macedon into a huge multi-ethnic empire is an effective political and military hiatus. This hiatus is significant enough to separate the military history of the Kingdom of Macedonia into two unequal halves. Perhaps the title of the article would be more precisely worded as "Macedonian army of Philip II and Alexander the Great", but this is too pedantic. The general reader looking for the army of ancient Macedon would be looking for that of Alexander, primarily, and those wishing to trace the later history of the Macedonian military are given pointers (links) within the article. 3455:: I've rewritten the very first sentence just in case the scope of the article wasn't exactly clear from reading the lead section as a whole. Various articles and books about either Rome or China mention their relations in passing, but as for specific works that focus solely on this subject in addition to Hirth and Yule, I have also cited Bang (2009), Christopoulos (2012), Dubs (1941), Hill (2003), McLaughlin (2010), Pulleyblank (1999), Scheidel (2009), and Thorley (1971). Again, that doesn't even account for the various other works I've cited that treat this topic at some length in larger works focusing primarily on a related topic. For instance, Warwick Ball (2016) provides an excellent assessment of Sino-Roman trade relations, even though his book focuses on the grander, more general topic of Roman relations with Eastern powers spanning from India to Persia. What exactly are you trying to suggest, though? That the article shouldn't exist? I'm trying to wrap my head around your exact intentions here and I don't know precisely what you're trying to suggest, aside from rewriting the introductory sentence. 1664: 3479: 1482:"about the largely indirect relations between the Roman Empire (and its medieval incarnation, the Eastern Roman Empire) and the Han dynasty of China, followed by relations with subsequent Chinese dynasties. It contains information about ancient authors from both the Roman and Han Chinese realms and in some cases their attempts to understand the geography, history, culture, society, and governments of the respective empires on opposite ends of the Eurasian continent. The major focus, however, is on the poorly understood diplomatic missions that occurred between these two empires, as well as the trade activity that occurred between them via the Indian Ocean."! Impressive! -- 729:

rintracciabile nella decorazione, BOYNNEPI KEPAMI, ritenuta inizialmente la firma dell’autore, ma secondo studi più recenti riconducibile al nome del pater familias del nucleo ritratto." "An aristocratic woman flanked by her children, the legendary interpretation identifies as Galla Placidia...or the Queen Ansa, founder of Santa Giulia, with her two children Adelchi and Anselperga. The greek inscription found in the decoration, BOYNNEPI KEPAMI, was first considered the signature of the author, but after additional recent studies it has been it is probablythe name of the pater familias of the family nucleus portrayed."

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have found some higher resolution photos by Prof. Gary Lee Todd on Flickr that should help people interpret some of the interesting details in the murals. He has posted more than 137,000 photos(!!!) on Flickr - many of them on Asian subjects - and many of them truly outstanding. And because they are on Flikr, I believe they should all be able to be uploaded to WP. Do you know if this is so? He is a professor living in China. You can find his photos of the Dahuting murals (along with some by other people) by checking this page:

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inscription in greek, says there are "hypotheses", it has initially been considered to be the signature of the author of the medallion, which is exactly what most sources suggest and how this has been interpreted for most of its existence, one of the authors you mention notes this as well, here it says the inscription in Alexandrian Greek is commonly found in these medallions

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Don't accuse me of vandalism when it is you who is going against scholarly consensus. Clearly you haven't done any research into the topic of the Brescia medallion. I will be reverting your edits with full citations shortly, from a number of old and recent sources. Basically, your 18th-century theory

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but, it seems you have to be log into Flikr first. I don't want to try to deal with the many speculations by other people about the murals on Knowledge - I don't think it is the place for it - but would be happy to discuss some of them with you by email. If you would like to do this, please do email

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I'm very glad that you enjoy them, I'll keep uploading whenever I discover more. I've seen the link that you shared with Tahut'ing murals, it's very nice. I'm going to upload more pictures of the wonderful motifs from there. Actually I'm a beginner on Knowledge, I saw you've already done a number of

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I saw despite the name you have a wealth of interest in Egypt and the East, but still felt compelled to ask. I do not mean to ask only about ancient Greek athletics. If ancient Greek music, mathematics, philosophy, pottery, sculpture, painting, etc. could use help from a non-scholar, I would like to

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of late antiquity (boo hiss) for the interest it drew. Surely the Venus de Milo has even more captured the popular imagination than the Nike of Samothrace (nigh key of s-ammo thrace? oh, no, knee kay of s-ammo thraw key). In short, I would rank them as the article's text does, despite the dress of

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If only for which side piques my interest I tend to separate the Greek and Roman like Winckelmann or Spengler. For my taste, give me Aristotle (or Alexander really, or Demosthenes to be fancy) and before. Not quite at Nietzsche's level where I only appreciate the pre-Socratics, but try to feel his

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makes an even better point than I did, by relating how your own source, the Brescia Museum webpage on the medallion, specifically dates this artwork to around the 3rd century AD! Neither Galla Placidia nor Ansa were alive then; the medallion predates them significantly according to your own source

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Just to let you know that your good work hasn't been forgotten. I am still working on the Dahuting murals - and so are a number of other people - but mostly through a flurry of emails. Much of it is by specialists in early Chinese history some of whom are not used to working on Knowledge. Also, I

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I have not done work on the citation formats as I believe that there has to be consensus (how one does this I have no idea!) before they are changed and this does not fall under the purview of the GOCE. At a quick glance the issue seems to be repetitive complete citations for various pages from a

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artefact is Egyptian in origin). And if you speak Italian, surely you understand the phrase "pater familias". Why not mention that when citing your source? Are you deliberately misrepresenting your source by omitting these assertions from the Brescia Museum page? All you're doing is repeating the

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Stop vandalizing the italian and roman articles, if you are going to make an edit provide evidence and not just assumptions. The image has been considered to be a depection of Galla Placidia for a long time, even if it has been doubted, just like almost everything in antiquity. The letters on the

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LOL! Thank you for proving my point! It specfically says the "legendary" interpretation there, and says nothing about scholarly consensus. Meanwhile, I have sources sucha s Beckwith (1979), Boardman (1993), Grig (2004), and others who all support the theory that it simply represents an Egyptian

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First of all, I think I remember you sending me your email address some time ago???? But I can't find it. If so, would you mind sending it to me again at: wynhill2@bigpond.net.au ? It would help me if I want to put you in touch with people who might not want their particulars made public here.

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group are most certainly blonds, both the man and his wife (not much of a surprise, they're Galatians after all). The pigments are still very clear in my opinion. It's hardly the only Roman statue with that particular hue of blond either. Take for instance several statues of Hadrian's partner

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I understand perfectly what the museum says. I speak Italian, maybe you should learn it. It says exactly that. It's traditionally identified as these two people. If you need clarification you can ask the museum directly, they are the ones that wrote this. The second part which talks about the

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The relevant section reads: "una donna aristocratica attorniata dai due figli, che l’interpretazione leggendaria identifica in Galla Placidia ovvero nella regina Ansa, fondatrice di Santa Giulia, con i figli Adelchi e Anselperga. Suggestive le ipotesi formulate attorno all’iscrizione in greco

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I just wrote to friend (a renowned professor of Chinese Language and Literature) who is very interested in the photos you posted and I asked him what he thought about the photo showing the woman holding the glass(?) vessel. Here is the brief preliminary note I just received back from him:

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me at: wynhill2@bigpond.net.au Finally, I would like to take this opportunity to thank you so very much once again for bringing these fascinating murals to my attention. It has begun a wonderful exchange of ideas which I hope will lead to new discoveries. All best wishes,

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Hi there Pericles. Sports history in the American south is more the kind of thing where I know enough to add to an encyclopedia, though I'd own several more books on Ancient Greek philosophy and art/archaeology. Did a little to clean up and expand both

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I have posted on the talk page of article Yuezhi some arguments why I think that Yuezhi are the same people as Massagetae and my opinion that this information should be on the article. Can you review them and what is your opinion? Thank you.

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I think the Brescia Museum, the museum that houses the cross is a pretty strong leg to stand on. I suggest you edit the caption to what it has been considred to be. You have not proven consensus on this. The museum itself proves you wrong!

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You don't understand what the museum is saying. No one has thought the family were anything to do with either Galla Placidia or Queen Ansa for over a century. The museum describes the glass as "del III secolo d.C.", ie 200-300 AD.

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I don't know - there were of course other porcelains at the time but the tint looks like Qingbai. It ought to be possible to find out if the Beijing piece is. The other looks like it has just been dug up- or made.

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article accordingly. Feel free to do so yourself, though! Just make sure to cite the museum page so nobody tries to revert you, thinking that you're just making this stuff up for kicks and wry amusement! Lol.

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single text. Citation #6 is "correct" while #s 78-82 are "incorrect". If I were you, I would just go ahead and fix them since you've done the lion's share of the work over the past few months. This may help:

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family in Roman Egypt. Even the Greek inscription "ΒΟΥΝΝΕΡΙ ΚΕΡΑΜΙ" proves that it is from Egypt since it uses a Greek dialect of Egypt (see Breck 1927: 353). You have no legs to stand on in this argument.

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is from the 8th century. If BOYNNEPI KEPAMI relates to a paterfamilias, that has no connection with either of them. You have absolutely no references on your side, and are just making a fool of yourself.

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I'm copying this to the article talk to preserve it. But while I'm fine with the Palace Museum one, I get more & more dubious about the other, & am likely to remove it, I think.

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help, but was hoping one more familiar with it could say what (if any) needs it the most. For sports, the recent success of Michael Phelps in the Olympics saw an increased interest in

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as a cross between Alexander and Burt Reynolds. I wonder how to reconcile the date of the paintings at Vergina or the Derveni Krater with the dates deemed "Hellenistic".

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was used as paint. So is it Lau-co-on, rhymes with Now go on? The umlaut telling me I have to sound the a and o together but the last two vowels separately?

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Hi PericlesofAthens! I'm Kevin, a Clerk of the Arbitration Committee. That means I help administer the arbitration process (on behalf of the Committee).

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The current Museo page describes it as a likely 2nd century copy! Of an Augustan original! Based on a much, much earlier work! Great. Have a gander...

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for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can

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One book is not scholarly consensus. everything on the subject says it has been doubted. Due to the fact that it has been I suggest you remove this.

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have a medallion made in the 8th century using an Alexandrian Greek dialect from the 3rd century? Do you not see how incongruent that is? Besides,

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Are you sure those two statues are Qingbai ware? I agree they look like it, but the descriptions are useless, and they are not categorized as it.

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great works here, really appreciate it! By the way, Sogdians are very interesting, they are like a bridge between East and West, really curious.

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were depicted with similar blond hair in their surviving polychrome statues because, according to Roman historians, they were natural blonds.

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Please let me know if you are happy for him to use any of the photos this way. Also, is there any way of obtaining higher resolution copies?

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and bringing it to GA status! Well done! Sogdians were almost forgotten in history of Greater Iran, but you revived them, much appreciated!

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has been long overturned, yet you still cling to it somehow. You should also back up your assertions with SOURCES. Reliable ones at that.

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along with other white or "pale jade" porcelain pieces that were exported around the world. In other words: Qingbai wares.

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First, this article is an extremely fascinating one, and I'd like to help improve it. But I'm not sure how to comply with

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Mind if I list sources here I found helpful? Perhaps you can better sort their claims between pottery and painting.

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I have an idea about the vessel in the second photo and also something very exciting about one of the other photos.

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Will get back to you as soon as I can about what I think may be a very significant discovery based on these images.

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Hello again friend, how have you been? I have recently performed a massive restructuring of my namesake article,

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I had just saved the above and checked my mail again to find another note from my friend. Here is what he writes:

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Would you like me to review Europeans in Medieval China? If so I'll do it tomorrow, as i'm going to sleep soon.

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looked and provided those first two sub-sections that you see now about the earliest periods. The same goes for

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image of the Croce dei desideri are in Greek, this is from articles in italian you can find all around the web.

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A pity the Berlin Painter doesn't have an image of the kithara player around the time of Marathon, in the Met.

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is almost certainly made some 200 years after the end of Hellenistic art proper, and done for a Roman patron.

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These are wonderful! May I share them through the Xi circulars and with a few other specialist colleagues?

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What do you think is the hair color for the Ludovisi Gaul? In some images it looks lighter than others.

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Hi Pericles of Athens! I would be very pleased if you could help me with the clean up of the article '

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and its almost complete lack of information on the Roman period there, which I've remedied somewhat.

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Ok dude, I knew you had a great task improving Kindom of Macedonia article so I wish you the best!

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He sure has me fascinated now! Will let you know the next installment when it comes in. Take care

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So, thanks so much again - look forward to hearing from you when you can spare the time. Cheers!

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Interesting - thought they looked awfully blond in Pedley's book. From now will think of the

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I am very grateful for the opportunity to share these wonderful images with colleagues.

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