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and was nearing the finish line when I had to go on a very long break. As you can see by that GA nomination, the article is pretty much in GA shape already. The lead was the only obstacle from gaining that status. It had to be elongated or something. You can ask Jclemens (don't want to ping him just yet) if he's willing to look into it again. He's an excellent editor and one who already knows the article pretty well. As for me, I'm almost maxed out of energy trying to maintain the article and picking up everybody else's slack. I am willing to help out only if you're leading the charge. To be more specific, I can help you if you need some help regarding sources and point to some really important consensus discussions we've had over the 10 somewhat years that I've been editing the article.

1582:"To examine fine-scale population structure and relatedness, we removed African, Oceanian, and native American populations. Representative populations from Eurasia were selected, and the analysis was repeated (Fig. 2B). Turkish samples clustered with Middle Eastern and European populations, particularly with the Adygei population from the Caucasus. South Asian populations clustered separately and did not overlap with Turkish samples. Kyrgyz samples clustered with other Central Asian populations, but they were relatively closer to East Asian populations (Fig. 2B). These results demonstrate that the PC analysis for the Eurasian region clearly delineates fine-scale population structure." 1030:. For that, I apologize. But that rule applies to the both of us. SS too kept reverting without joining the discussion. And just because s/he has the "last word" shouldn't give him/her unlimited discretionary power to keep removing content from the article either, especially when it wasn't about the removal of content in the first place. In her "last words" on the TP, s/he specifically says: "I didn't see a better place for it, but if you can think of one move it there." That doesn't sound like a discussion to remove it entirely. And yet, I too agree that it should be moved and have since 1593:

2009. No NCBI link, no scientific study, no nothing. I couldn't find anything. I found the guy though. However, couldn't find his study published on a legit website like NCBI. Therefore that study has to be removed. There's probably no study about leukemia. If there is, then show me a link. We can include that study in "previous genetic studies" part. If there's no link to a scientific article or a page, then it'll be removed. In the genetics parts we should cite genetic studies, papers and articles. Not newspaper articles with no source.

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And I'm not the type of user who doesn't participate in talk pages. I'm the third most contributor to Afrin's TP ( 4153: 681: 22: 2684: 717: 3771: 3243: 3974: 3922: 3870: 2630: 2555: 2475: 2373: 2321: 2269: 2011: 737: 3398: 3347: 1963: 4060: 3626: 3446: 3104: 3073: 2185: 1790: 97: 3538: 1386: 156: 621: 569: 4026: 4192: 2428:). As you can see, my submission was declined for not adhering to a neutral POV and for lacking sources to support his notability. As I am a new Wiki user, I would appreciate the help of more experienced editors in the resubmission process. I saw you have an interest in Armenia, as do I, and it would be great to raise visibility of Armenians in an otherwise Euro-centric space. 1034:. But can I request to be under 0RR instead of an article ban? After all, I have greatly contributed to the article, and I'm sure you'd agree. Yes, I did have a small bout of edit-warring for which I do apologize. However, the 0RR will prevent me from reverting, which is what you believe is the viable solution here, while allowing me to continue to improve the article. 1600:. This study was published in 2003. Old studies like this must be removed. Because recent studies prove them wrong (like my autosomal dna study which found that the East Asian influence in Turks was 21.7%). However, i'm not really against removing it. We can keep it to show what previous studies told and what recent studies tell. It will show the difference. 3991:. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Knowledge. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Knowledge (see 3939:. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Knowledge. 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You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Knowledge (see 530:- consensus discussions aren't just a tally of editors unsourced opinions, you do have to be willing to have civil discussion about sources, not insist that the majority of sources support your POV (without posting them). Are you willing to do that? - discuss just the sources and not your own POV in future discussions? Here is another source 892:). I've added entire sections that have been vital for the understanding of the conflict. But that's digressing. With all that said, I can always resort to talking more and being much more cautious in my edits/reverts. There is definitely a conversation to be had as to exactly where that sentence be positioned. 3716:

or don't know how. I have too many questions about the sources I used (which strongly contradict each other). Could you consult me on the subject or indicate to whom I can write on this issue (ideally, I need a specialist in Armenian literature). I will be very grateful to you for the answer. Sincerely.

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about the lead and Background section, the chronological order of events, broader context etc. If you have the time, I would like you to look at the situation and try as a kind of neutral side to give your opinion. It would mean a lot to calm a tense situation, and the topic is extremely significant.

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Your edits were actually good edits, but the Armenian Genocide article is long enough as it is. We need to refer to the talk page before adding +20,000 bytes of content. We wouldn't want that page to be confusing for the average reader. I also suggest adding this information to other articles related

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You have reverted my latest addition about legal studies and reports to the Armenian Genocide page, arguing that "there is a lot of information which is undue". What exactly do you refer to and why? It's all scholarly work, highly topical and relevant for the page in question and referenced to proper

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Also the study used Sardinian samples as well. "Supervised analysis was performed using individuals from the Middle East (Druze and Palestinian), Europe (French, Italian, Tuscan, and Sardinian), and Central Asia (Uygur, Hazara, and Kyrgyz)" dunno why you're deleting the Sardinian part. I've read that

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In the latter half of the 11th century, the Seljuk Turks began penetrating into medieval Armenia and the eastern regions of Anatolia. In 1071, the Seljuks defeated the Byzantines at the Battle of Manzikert, starting the Turkification process in the area; the Turkish language and Islam were introduced

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in Russian Knowledge. I have already written a lot but I plan to make at least a "good article" out of it. But this is hindered by my ignorance of the Armenian language (to my shame), I can’t even read. In the Russian section, all of the active Armenian users are either too busy to help me with this

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Thank you for the reminder on "Guidance for Discretionary Sanctions". I did review the topics under such consideration. Did not see "Ottoman History" on that list. I am assuming you are more knowledgeable about these sanctions than I am since you kindly put a reminder on my page. In that case, since

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2- Leukemia study's link was dead, but now it's revived. However, the source is rather shady and in genetics we don't use diseases to explain genetics/genetic closeness, we rather use haplogroups and/or autosomal DNA. Also, I really could not find anything about that leukemia study before 2009 or in

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If nominating GA is what you're going to do, then I suggest to look into the last GA nomination. Frankly, I was highly disheartened by the fact that it was nominated by a user who did not do one bit to help resolve the issues raised by the GA reviewer. I stepped and tried my best to fix the problems

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on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit

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articles. You are not the arbiter of who can edit and what references are acceptable. There are established Wiki standards for all this. Every sentence in this little entry was/is referenced properly, and from neutral sources. What are the facts disputed in Kapamajian article? What is in doubt? Can

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Well, there’s only one way to find out. I still think it’s confusing because from what I see there’s a lot of partial reverts. Partial reverts are still reverts, but if you were to report him, just be as clear as possible in the report so as to not confuse the admins as well. You should provide the

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the page says "Other studies found the Peoples of the Caucasus (Georgians, Circassians, Armenians) are closest to the Turkish population among sampled European (French, Italian), Middle Eastern (Druze, Palestinian), and Central (Kyrgyz, Hazara, Uygur), South (Pakistani), and East Asian (Mongolian,

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Could you please stop removing my genetic links on the Turkish people page,? Those studies are legit peer-reviewed genetic studies and they're very recent studies (2014, 2017, 2016 etc) (one is from 2006 but it's not only about haplogroups) whereas the studies in the Turkish people page are almost

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I really want you to understand what this dispute is about so I will try to explain one more time: there are sources that I posted that discuss the Armenians role at Manzikert and during the Seljuk period. Armenians are not part of the nationalist Turkish literature - but these texts have had a

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Greetings. I was disappointed to see your wholesale revert in this article. Though I had actually explained my edit in detail in the TP, it seems you did not look at it and asked me to take it to TP. It is possible that you did not notice the discussion as I had added it to an already existing

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topics of our disagreements are not on the list mentioned, I take this as an attempt to discourage or bully me. I am sure there are numerous Knowledge policies that forbid such behavior. Please focus on the facts of the matter, the best way to make these pages better and reliable FYI.

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you provide more info then? How can you make this a more meaningful article? I strongly urge you to adhere to the standard of conduct for editing and reverting in Knowledge. If can not agree, then there are other venues available to resolve this totally unnecessary dispute.

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Agreed, and will gladly do so. But it would also mean SS has been "reverting and ignoring the discussion" too since s/he hasn't participated in the TP since March 28 as well. Wouldn't it? I'm just wondering why there's two definitions of edit-warring violations here.

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lasting influence in the field. Fortunately in 2018 we have sources to support updating, or at least qualifying, so I am trying to understand why you don't want to update - is it because Armenia is not in Anatolia? Here is another source

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I haven't come across anything like this. However, the SDF/YPG has many ethnic minorities among their ranks. I think the Turkish news media wants to exagerrate the Armenian compontent to fuel some nationalist sentiment in the country.

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Self-reverting is good before the situation blows up. It sends a signal to admins you are aware of the issue when formulating a comprehensive response might take some time. Right now, I would leave the content in question alone.

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And nothing in the sanction is stopping you from having that conversation. It is, however, stopping you from reverting and ignoring the discussion. If the discussion concludes before a month is up, I will lift the restriction.

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I can see the point and I had considered the reparation page, but felt at the end that as a topic, the main AG page would be more appropriate. I'll write a short summary in the AG and fit in the rest in the reparation page.

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It is about coordinated group working off-wiki to push a POV through the site.I have evidence to support the claim. Is that email then? And if yes, I don’t know any. Could you advice some names of non partial editors?

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The sourcing for this is overwhelming and very high quality. I will give you some time to think about it before opening a discussion on talk but I think it would help if you could just stick to discussing the sources.

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A source I can't post here (justpaste-dot-it) has a source in Turkish saying and "Ermen" militia in Rojava indepedendent of the YPG has declared war on Turkey. Can't find this in English. Have Armenian sources stated

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5- "It has been discovered through the Turkish genealogy database that at least 2 million of those who identify as Turks are in reality ethnically Armenian, most of whom were survivors of the Armenian Genocide"

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to Armenia and Anatolia, gradually spreading throughout the region. The slow transition from a predominantly Christian and Greek-speaking Anatolia to a predominantly Muslim and Turkish-speaking one was underway.

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and instead of these guys, i wish that it was you who was on the other side of the conversation. if i were to lose it, i wouldn't seriously care since you would've explained it throughly. take care mate.

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What do you mean by "Review" exactly? Because if it's a behavioral issue, you'd have to appeal to WP:ANI or WP:AE. If it's something like off-wiki coordination, you'd have to e-mail admins.

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antiquated and they're mostly about haplogroups. While mine also included studies about haplogroups, they also included studies about autosomal dna. Stop removing my peer-reviewed studies.

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He was a French citizen at his death, so I assume their copyright laws apply. As of 7/30/2017 he had been dead for 70 years so, his works became public domain on 1/1/2018. Happy gallery!

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So you can revert whenever you want without ever joining the discussion again? No, sorry. And please explain how the DW discussion was not specifically about the addition and removal of

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First: This is the thought/theory of the author. Therefore it's not reliable. These numbers are not "official". This is literally the thought of an author. He most likely made that up.

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noticeboard if it keeps coming up, especially on article talk pages. You are insisting on a historical meaning, that is not widely in use, just because you prefer it. The majority of

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well there were times that we didin't agree. but we were still talking as two mature human beings. i see that you are not active anymore ahparig. there is an issue going on in

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How about if you talk smack behind my back, and try to hatch your little plots against me, you have the courtesy to link my user name, so that I get notice? Ok Tobby?

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call it Anatolia. If you wrote this in a blog, I might be interested in reading it, but ranting about it in unrelated discussions and telling editors they have been

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Dear EtienneDolet, I hope you're doing well these days. I've noticed your contributions to the Armenian Genocide articles. There is some kind of edit war in the

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He has some coverage in Russia and Eastern Europe, most of it about his supposedly being the grandson of Louis Armstrong. There's really not enough to meet

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However the study DOES NOT mention Armenians or Georgians. It mentions ADYGEI (Circassian) people. Armenians and Georgians were not included in the study.

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revert first then describe which version exactly he’s reverting to. That way admins won’t overlook it. But from my view, yeah it appears to be a violation.

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I'd say it's practically resolved and I will not pursue reinstating that bit of information. Let me pitch one last proposal though and see if it'll work.

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You seem to think you can revert and ignore Seraphim System's last post in the thread. It's not up to them to keep posting while you keep reverting. --

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mentions that and it says "Perhaps two million Turks have Armenian grandmothers. But they are supposed to believe that the genocide never happened."

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it’s confusing at first glance. Can you show me who or which version he reverted? If he reverted an IP then it doesn’t count in the SCW topic area.

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header. I will open another paragraph and repeat the argument and information. I ask you to consider your wholesale revert meanwhile. Thank you.

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Second: There's a huge difference between having an armenian grandmother and being "ethnically Armenian". You're manipulating your own source.

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Moving goal posts? What does arguing about Armenia have to do with improving the particular sentence that was the topic of discussion which is

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I am disappointed again that you continue to disrupt and refuse to engage in discussion to resolve whatever factual mistakes you see in

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This is quite shocking. For one, I have been discussing this at the talk page. In fact, I was the one who started that discussion:

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in a vain endeavour to prevent Adonis from hunting and thus precipitating his death. The painting is now in the collection of the

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for deletion. It would be good if you or someone else found better sources that provide some real content... I can't find them.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/turkey-race-armenian-recep-tayyip-erdogan-generlogy-family-trees-ethnicity-a8234346.html

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to edit war for weeks on end, especially when the discussion never entailed for blatant removal of reliably sourced content.

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Listen, Etienne, I can count my own reverts, don't post on my talk page anymore unless it is required like an ANI notice.

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However, s/he is nowhere to be seen on that TP since March 28 and has removed that sentence at least twice since then (

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sleeping on her lap. She has foretold that her lover will be killed during a hunt, and she is looking down at her son

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Yes, Muş is in Anatolia - Anatolia means the Asian part of Turkey. That is why hundreds of reliable sources use it

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Hi! If you have any ideas of how to vouch for the notability of this individual, I would appreciate any help.

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Hi KS. So it does say 1.5 million. In Russian, there’s a specific word for 1.5: полтора. Hope that helps.

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what SS said in that very same discussion. I've even suggested that s/he move it to a more proper place:

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I forgot to reply regarding this and sorry about that. Just wanted to say thank you for the barnstar! :)

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