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1152:) and I don't know how yours works, but if it is shingle-based, would it be feasible to add a new param to the input form, or in the settings, maybe in an 'advanced' section, to set the shingle size? In a case of paraphrase like this one, where the information is clearly copied but words are shifted around in the sentences, a shorter shingle size might do a lot better at detecting the similarities. This might kill processing time in the web search version, so maybe would only work when the 'url' radio button was selected, but still could be pretty useful for cases like that, and might make a great tool for assigning a measurable value to close paraphrase, which afaik we do not have currently, and is all very hand-wavy. Thanks, 1296:, which you could accumulate yourself, by just dumping all of the words of each document you come across into a list, and counting later, maybe once a week or month, and recalculating the frequencies, but my understanding is that there is a budget available for Earwig (for the Google API) and it's likely that there is a term frequency list out there somewhere for English, and we could just buy it. (You would only have to do that once in theory, although language does evolve, so maybe once a year?) Then you wouldn't have to build your own bag of words. Your experiment looks really interesting, and I wonder if any of these other ideas would kick it up a level. 609:
every time I try to see whether a page is a copyright violation, I have not gotten a successful response to a query in many, many weeks now. So, I'm wondering is this "limit" actually for all users on this platform and not tied to individual editors? Because something odd is going on and maybe new page patrollers or AFC reviewers are using it for every article they review if I can not just get one or two reports on suspicious articles or drafts I've come across. I know with AI, there are ways users can get around copyright restrictions but I still found the tool helpful.
331:, using Bing or some other engine as a fallback is definitely something we’ve discussed—I hadn’t realized the issue had gotten this bad recently. The main issue here is these services usually cost money, and while the WMF pays for our Google access right now, I don’t know if I will be able to ask for access to additional search engines. First, I can take a deeper look into whether anyone is overusing their share of the tool’s resources; we might need to block/limit them. (Our plan with Google allows about 1500 articles to be checked per day.) — 1575: 823: 563:. Rest assured this isn't related to your own usage of the tool. The daily limit is shared by all users, and allows for about 1000–2000 pages to be checked per day, so even if you're checking a few dozen, that's not a major contributor to the limit getting reached. We've been noticing this issue more frequently recently (see a few threads above) and we're doing some work to restrict other users of the tool who are actually overusing their share of its resources. I'm hoping to have things back to normal soon. — 834: 791: 1639: 1617: 1586: 1564: 865: 801: 1553: 780: 1709: 907: 263: 878: 1769: 1606: 1628: 854: 1663: 1076:. The law of demand states that, when prices rise the demand of goods fall, whilst the law of supply dictates that as prices rise sellers are more willing to supply. When these laws interrelate market prices and supply in the market are determined. Ceteris paribus is used in the law of supply and demand through determining how independent variables will impact the casual factors of prices and supply in the market. 1598: 846: 634:, truly sorry about the ongoing issues. I'm aware and working on it (see some of the threads above you), with the time I have available. I thought things has improved with the overall performance improvement last month, but it has really just made this particular problem of running out of the search quota much worse. Anyway, I am working on it now. 1204:. The website loads its content through JavaScript so it's not available to the tool. There isn't an easy workaround for this, but there are some options I could try further in the future. Since the content doesn't show up in the comparison view as part of the source, my hope is that people will figure out what's going on, as you were able to. — 1185:
Okay, just noticed that in both of those revisions, Earwig doesn't appear to see past the first short section of the web page, so the paraphrased section I am addressing doesn't appear to be visible to Earwig, or at least, it isn't displaying it on the comparison page, for some reason, if you scroll
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1. Supply chain: Ceteris paribus considers production factors, such as logistics, sourcing, competition, and trends with buyers to determine the price of goods. For example, a bread seller observes the costs of the ingredients, labor, packaging, and distribution, in addition to competitors, economic
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I regularly used this tool you created, mostly when patrolling drafts or CSD-tagged articles, I'd probably used it 3 or 4 times a day. When I used it too much, I'd get a message that I was over my limit of how often I could use it. At least that's how I thought things worked. Now, I get this message
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So I was thinking, I don't suppose there's much we can do to increase the quota (?), but would it be possible to add another search engine as a fallback option? Either so that when the user gets that error message, they could manually tick a box to use Bing (say) instead; or maybe the Detector could
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Thanks for that. Even if it could see it, I wonder if it would come up with any kind of rating, due to the paraphrase? Not sure what kind of test bed you use, but if you could copy the MasterClass page and save it offline locally (post-js, or just scraping the rendered page manually and saving it)
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Do you have any idea why it is suddenly no longer available to generate reports? Can you tell me the time of the day when it "resets" so that maybe I could make inquries then? Or is there any possibility of raising this limit of reports generated? I mean, I'm glad it's become so popular but it has
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I have a question about this editing tool. It seemed like I could run this 20 or more times before I got a notice that I had reached my daily limit. But now, I receive a notice if I just run it a few times. Has this limit been decreased for some reason? I use this tool quite a lot while patrolling
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I use the Copyvio Detector (great tool, BTW!) in checking new AfC drafts, at least a dozen times most days. I sometimes get an error message saying that the detector has exceeded its maximum allowed Google searches. This issue has always been there, occasionally, but in the last week or two it has
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Oh, that's very thought-provoking, thanks! You could start with a stop-word list, and eliminate those, and there may be lists of bigrams containing stop words. I searched /most common bi-grams with stop words in English/ and repeatedly ran into "tidytext in R", and "NLTK in Python"; also articles
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2. The law of supply and demand: In the law of demand, buyers demand less of an economic good when prices are higher. The law of supply says that sellers will supply more of an economic good when prices are higher. The interaction of these two laws determines the actual market price and volume of
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I think the issue is some bots/automated traffic making too many queries. In the past I have been able to block them or ask them to slow down, but that approach has become less effective lately. So, I will be adding authentication to the tool to make sure only logged in users can use it and I can
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Do we really still have the same quota we've had for months? (or years?) As in, are we sure it hasn't been reduced? I haven't had a copyvio check go through with the search engine box checked in what seems like weeks. I can't imagine there are suddenly so many new page patrollers that it's making
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Quick update on this, the problem (of the copyvio detector running out of Google quota) has lately become worse. Unlike before, when it would only manifest in the early morning UK time, and usually be fine after 8am UK / 0700 UTC, it's now happening also in the afternoon. This is relatively new,
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The tool doesn't have a way of identifying more unique common phrases. If we could down-weigh "is a" but up-weigh, say, "wage economists", we could lower the default shingle size and get more sensitive results. The default size was actually 3 several years ago, but I raised it because the false
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I guess we at AfC are taking up quite a chunk of that quota, given that we see what are by definition new drafts usually by new users. I for one run the check probably at least on ⅓ of the drafts I review (and if you think that makes me an overuser, feel absolutely free to point this out, of
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Just circling back to see how you responded to my query last month. Still have not successfully submitted a query and gotten a report in several months now. I realize that we are all volunteers so I don't have high expectations of when this issue might be "fixed" as we all have outside
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But I didn't realize though that regular editors were competing with bots, that's a battle individual editors can never win so please block those bots, if possible! I don't even see how a bot would be able to handle a copyright violation report and interpret it appropriately.
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occurred daily. When I start reviewing, around 6am or so UK time, the first few reviews always hit this problem. Then, maybe 8am (?) the daily quota probably gets reset, or something else happens, because from then onwards everything is fine until the next morning.
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To answer your questions: yes the quota is shared by all users, and we cannot easily raise it. It's a hard limit enforced by Google that I cannot bypass without some special arrangement. It resets I think around midnight Pacific Time, i.e. Google's time
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I didn't realize that I posted two messages about the same issue. I should have reviewed your talk page before posting my subsequent message. I guess I have a sense of frustration now that I know I'm competing with RichBot for copyright inquiries.
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maybe in the past week or two, so I've not yet have a good feel for what time it happens exactly (in case that matters); I would have said late afternoon, but eg. today it started already around 1pm UK / 1200 UTC.
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drafts and CSD categories so it's sometimes difficult to remember to go back to reexamine some pages the next day when I have reached my daily limit for the current day. Thanks for any insight you can provide.
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5. Minimum wage: Economists use ceteris paribus to determine the potential effects of a minimum wage increase, including the possible outcome of fewer jobs available if companies must pay employees more.
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and run Earwig against that file, I'd be interested to see what it would come up with. And if you use shingling and it's parametrizable, whether the rating would change if you reduced the shingle size.
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There is a lot of close paraphrase here, maybe enough to cover their tracks and confuse the detector. I remember glancing at Andrei Broder's shingle-based detection paper eons ago (might be
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more accurately identify who is overusing it. I expect to finish that work this weekend and I am hopeful that will solve the issue. If it doesn't, there are other things I can try. —
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goods. Ceteris paribus identifies, isolates, and tests the impact of an independent variable that would affect these two laws and the causal factors in the market supply and prices.
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4. Interest rates: If the interest rates increase, the independent variable, then the demand for debt goes down as the cost of borrowing increases, the dependent variable.
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FYI, I've also run into this issue the last couple of days. I'm assuming you're still working on it, or that life has gotten in the way of you fixing the issue.
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inflation, and consumer trends. Ceteris paribus stipulates that if other factors remain the same, a decrease in the supply of bread will cause prices to rise.
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3. Gross domestic product: Economists use ceteris paribus to study the GDP, assuming that variables remain fixed to determine the effect in the money market.
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So, I will be adding authentication to the tool to make sure only logged in users can use it and I can more accurately identify who is overusing it.
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It may be that I see the problem worse than some others, mind, because of my weird early-morning AfC habit, combined with the time zone I'm in. --
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a few weeks ago, and the idea of making everyone log in using OAUTH came up. If bots are indeed the problem, I think this is a good idea to try. –
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positive rate was just a bit too high and it was causing confusion. So there's a delicate balancing act with the current algorithm.
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to find out how much duplication there was, and in what section(s). To my surprise, it came back with 0.0%. However, notice these:
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I manually copied the text to a pastebin. With the tool's default shingle size of 5 words, almost no similar text is found,
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said above, I just tried to run the copyvio tool on a promotional draft, and got the error again. Any progress to report on?
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course!). Even at NPP we deal with relatively more experienced users, so there's that much less of a need to check for CV.
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I realise this may not be possible, either for technical or policy reasons, but thought I'd ask at least. Cheers, --
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Also, Liz, I think authentication has been added so we aren't competing against bots, at least not as much, per
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Okay, thanks for shedding some more light on this; needless to say, I knew nothing about how these things work.
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really taken off in the last several months is AI. Nevermind. I think I've answered my own question. ugh. --
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also become unavailable for use for those of us who just want to make a few queries a day. Thank you.
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Hello friend. EarwigBot hasn't edited since August 17. I believe it has some daily tasks such as
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The concept of ceteris paribus is crucial for economists and can be applied in researching:
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Sorry taking a while to get back, but I'm actively working on an improvement for this now. —
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Thanks! I went ahead and boldly signed you up for a bot to alert you if it goes down again.
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Thanks for the ping! The task was active but had gotten stuck somehow. I've restarted it. —
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Yes, it's still my current focus with the free time I have. —
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