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set of pages in WP, so it is useful to create a discussion that actually aims at resolving some of those issues. By trying to wish it away, you facilitate their POV pushing, and work against any attempt to gain a consensus (which I understand in its wiki sense, not as a supermajority that ignores dissent). You haven't actually made the dispute go away. You've simply created a means for some to silence dissent from their POV.
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looking for advice on how to do this. Is it easier to rename "Conch" to "Conch (gastropod)" (I presume an administrator has to do this), or create the "Conch (gastropod)" article and copy the contents from "Conch"? I found the template for a disambiguation page, but I would appreciate a word on any gotchas to watch for. --
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A vote of 14-0 is indeed a very strong indication of consensus against unilaterally renaming the page to that particular title, as you did four times. I'm not trying to wish away discussion, and as far as I can see it is still continuing vigorously on the talk page. The dispute hasn't gone away, but
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The workaround is to use underscore instead of space when specifying a username... it would be nice if it worked with spaces, but it doesn't. If you want to experiment with templates, you can always create a template page at, say ] and then call it via {{User:You/Sandbox}}. You shouldn't experiment
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Thanks for reminder about verifiability. I was wavering between userfy and weak support and I think I should vote for userfy now, after waiting to see if anyone better informed votes. Normally I would have abstained from voting for something I am so ignorant about, but here the others are in a worse
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Thanks for helping out on this, this is very confusing, the user created a couple of pages (all now deleted) and apparently vandalized a userpage and even though my username block was probably jumping the gun since there is unexplained userpage vandalism you have a point that I shouldn't immediately
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The order of events was that there was a RM in March, but a later survey ran from April through August that was supposed to settle the issue globally. As I've stated above, diacritics, just like capitalization, should be governed by a global policy, not case-by-case. Philip for some reason seems to
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Wow! I hate to add to your reading burden here, but here goes. You suggested that the nickname "Conch" might go on a disabbiguation page. I think the "Conch people" section should have it's own page, with a disambiguation page: i.e., Conch (gastropod) and Conch (people). I'm new to this, so I'm
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Hi, this is
Yeltensic (not logged in). It was not I who moved the page; it appears that a friend found where I had written my login password, then logged in with my username to exact revenge upon Evil Therapist. I have spoken to the said friend about it, and it won't happen again (well, if it does,
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I'm sorry you felt aggrieved that I voted against the move. I don't think a vote was at all productive. Allowing POV pushers to have their way simply because they can win a vote is not wiki. It's generally a means to silence dissent and end discussion. All that happens in a minor vote is that one
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Hi Curps, this is Amgine (not logged in, but IP 24.85.85.76). I was asked to help repair this template, which is currently broken, and which edits you reverted. The template is now locked, so I guess I don't have to fix it anymore. But you might want to find out if you can unblock the other anon,
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that away. I thought they were only supposed to be used in cases of proxies and the like. I'm not disagreeing, though. That user has been giving us trouble for quite a long time now, and he decided to come back some days ago. That said, good job. Keep your eyes peeled, though. He might come back
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I guess I don't quite get what the order of events was- I know that both users did some malicious things to try and prevent moves, but where should the page logically stay? And I assume at this point that adding a CSD tag to any one of those pages should now be interpreted as vandalism?
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And you don't think the line saying "The reason given is this: user..." is going to seem really mysterious to a newbie? How about "username suggests vandalbot attack account" or something similar with at least a little bit of information? It's not like you have to type it each time.
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Don't experiment on the live template, lots of page use it, and they break when the template breaks. Make a private copy and experiment on that instead, as suggested above. The current version at least works if you remember to use the underscore workaround, your versions didn't. --
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Actually, it was an error, because the "new" category page already existed. I manually created it some days ago, edited all the pages in the old category to put them in the new category, and manually put the categoryredirect on the old page. The bot shouldn't have done anything. --
1147:..Needs YOU! We're recruiting, for new members, and if succesful we hope to eventually gather the support nessesary to make our own wikiproject, almost like a wiki-debate club, it should be fun.. Hello, would you like to join me in one of my stimulating user:talk:page debates?--
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the evil friend. Sheesh. I've heard that before. 18 hours is enough, if he keeps his nose clean, but only if he changes his password. I believe the last person who said that "a friend" got to his computer and did bad things ended up with an indefinite block (I believe it was
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Probably not, but I know they are stewards, and their accounts probably have the technical expertise to do something about it...Just a thought in passing. It's been a while since I've seen a post like that. I guess in situations like this, if we can help out, we'll do our best.
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Yes, I do. As you saw, he had a large collection of images on his user page. Stuff he uploaded himself. Looks like fair-use images can't be used that way on user pages, so they were removed. He added them again, so I reverted. That's what made him upset.
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Actually, that wasn't an error, it just moved the contents from the old category to the new one. The category was flagged for manual cleanup, so I would have caught it in the cleanup directory. Thanks for pointing it out and fixing it though.
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Well, initially you have to assume good faith, and you shouldn't block someone because of an editing disagreement, to gain advantage in an editing war. On the other hand, outright vandalism that persists over months is another story. --
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Sure thing. As long as anyone doesn't get upset for... whatever reasons. It's just that I've learned to be a little more careful when doing things on
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Sorry about that, I thought 'Nazi' was just a widespread colloquial term used in
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24 hr. I find page move vandals to be quite a bit worse (and more blockable) than the ones who merely blank articles or insert rude language. They don't have to get to the WoW rate before I'd be in favor of very, very long blocks.
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I stand by my words, provided I'm confident that my words have been chosen with care to begin with. Otherwise I will simply apologise. Its hard to explain spirit and action in terms of words, but indeed words alone are easy.
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In spite of any disagreements Im glad we see eye to eye on that issue, and I very much regard your good fairness in bringing it to attention. Without it, the case would appear to rest entirely on my appearing to be an
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just to remain consistent and save what seems to be a useful rule in 99% of instances? Should we qualify it so that it doesn't apply to country names? Should we qualify it in some other way? I honestly don't know.
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made me laugh out loud (that edit summary from one who may be in the top ten vandals in the history of our project, by sheer number of vandal edits). I'm watching in case he goes back to his old ways. Cheers,
1181:. In the past, he has already been banned for making legal threats and such under other user names. I think it might be good to ban this account also (since he made that threat in the edit summary);
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Miracles Monthly it IS probably appropriate for me to have an article but I'll have to let someone else write it. Maybe Scott Perry will, he's written many of the other
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thanks for your message. Even if I don't like the use of diacritics .... - of course : use global solution! This is much much more valuable. thanks again for coming around. best regards
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It might be nice if you gave a longer reason for the block though, so that if it did hit someone other than the vandalbot that person would have a better idea what is going on.
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I blocked the users with nonsense usernames indefinitely, just in case. Turns out you had already blocked them. But duplicated indefinite blocks don't harm each other, do they?
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Hi. Just noticed you were keeping tabs on this user, and I certainly hope you can bring this nightmare to a close. I don't know if you caught it or not, but I'd certainly call
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content gets refreshed on a regular basis, and posts from nearly two months ago are no longer there. In fact as of this writing there is no post earlier than
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of FBI investigators jumping from the sky if that's little mEEEEEE so far it's silent except the that stir U cause on the last attack on our IPs roaming address! By the
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You may want to check my user-page, to find out who won the "Most Reverted Admin Award", and what is your rank. Any objections are welcome.
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Hello. Thank you for taking care of the pages that user reverted, and so fast. Looks like he was doing that from my contributions list.--
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Thank you so much for deleting my history! I promise I will not put my personal info. next time! (
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article, and making edit comments that are either nonsense or attacks. Would you like to help?
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People are curious as to what decision process it uses.
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854:PS Continue letting bygones be bygones though
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