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In my browser (Firefox for Mac OS), the second example, x202F, looks much too narrow. If people are seeing extra white space when the template appears to be sending a normal nbsp to the browser, that sounds like a browser rendering bug or a computer configuration problem, or possibly a MediaWiki bug,
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I've just noticed the same problem. For example, the source is given as "21 June 2022" and is rendered as "21 June 2022", without extra spaces in the source, and #160 = #xA0 = nbsp, so the template clearly outputs the expected character string as intended. I suspect that this is an
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I would still really like this functionality. I try to put a sentence's core info first, and "as of X" is usually supplementary info the reader doesn't care about, or understand the meaning of, until they know what the main fact is. So I usually put it last, and typing "|lc=y" is a pain. Does anyone
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too tight and the NBSP case looks normal. In default WP settings (incognito mode), both look pretty good for three cases, but with NNBSP, the space between "June" and "2022" is too narrow. In any case, NBSP is supposed to act just like a space except for line breaking (though it is sometimes
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Thanks for the reply. I notice that the same problem occurs when people use just the {{nbsp}} template by itself. Further, I'm using the
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instead of the regular one? This would give "21 June 2022" and be rendered as "21 June 2022". To show these together:"21 June 2022" current 160 = xA0 = nbsp"21 June 2022" proposed 8239 = x202F = nnbsp.To me, x202F looks (renders)
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character just as it should - this should not be changed to the narrow nbsp, which would be too narrow. If this does not render okay in some configurations the problem is elsewhere. I would suspect some skin- or CSS-related issue.
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Which one looks better probably depends on the details of your browser/wikipedia configuration. On my phone, they render identically. On my laptop (with my browser, skin, and custom CSS), the NNBSP case is
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I don't see how this is a mediawiki bug, since the problem occurs in a trivial html file that I wrote by hand and tests both nbsp and nnbsp, except indirectly in the sense that mediawiki (and
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