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British English. It is standard to use dmy dates for European subjects, and
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reverted, which is also fine. At that point, you should both stop and calmly discuss on the talk page before changing things again, in order to establish consensus. Personally, I can see arguments for and against either format (although, I will be honest with you, I don't really care either way as
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English Name "William Wordsworth" spelled in Cyrillic is "Уильям Вордсворт" but spoken in Russian as "Уильям Уордсуорт". Also, as he is more ethnic German his 'real surname' would be spelled "Fischer", having been changed to 'Fisher' after immigrating to UK to anglicize the spelling. THE REAL
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From his fathers side, he was genetically and linguistically German, so his name would be
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Why is his "real name" Vilyam "Willie" Genrikhovich Fisher? He was born
William August Fisher. Vilyam Genrikhovich Fisher is a Russian version of his name. He was famous as Rudolf Abel, and the Soviet postage stamp, in fact, calls him Abel. Who actually called him Vilyam Genrikovich
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