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Eh, I dunno really. I don't like it. It sounds good in theory, but so much of the information will be the same. All of the
Development and Background will be identical, and that's what is the real meat of any article. Splitting because the tracklistings and reception are different? Those are the only
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of the same name, but it was marketed as "The
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between the two). There is music on the album that is not in the film, and music in the film that's not on the album. Sections like "Reception", "Track listing", and "Certification and sales" each have two subsections for the film and album, respectively. The "Charts" section only applies to the
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American music legends. If you need proof that the songs exhibit the above influence, just listen to them: "Desire" has a bluesy-Bo Diddley sound to it, "When Love Comes to Town" is about as bluesy as U2 gets. "Heartland" is very much folk-inspired. "Angel of Harlem" has tinges of
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I am honestly indifferent. There seems to be a lot of crossover between the 2 projects, in terms of the content on the film and album that are shared in common, as well as the process of how the two came together. But I do see the rationale behind it. There are a lot of sections of info that are
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film. That's what it's all about. They wouldn't of put live versions of older songs on their other albums, because they are proper non-soundtrack studio albums. Almost every song (not exactly every one, but most) on the album was also in the film. In one way, it's a soundtrack to a great extent,
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album, and the "History" section mostly discusses the film with only a brief mention of the album. Plus, the article needs a "Synopsis" section to summarize the film (which would not apply to the album). Would love to get some feedback on this. –
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