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preexisting instruments are deposited near other international organizations (including the United Nations) and observers as they have legal consequences in many other countries, and in many justice courts (which will continue to enact later in case of any conflicts still existing for their application which will remain valid until the effective date of withdrawal even if courts make their decisions later).
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Palau, the FSM, the Marshall Islands and Nauru are definitely remaining members. Kiribati confirmed its withdrawal "with immediate effect", so I think we can consider that Kiribati is now out. I'm not sure what the formal conditions for withdrawal might be, but as Kiribati considers itself out and is
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The same will apply to any withdrawal attempt from any international organization: the legal ratification instruments are strongly enforceable as long as the ratified procedures are not formally registered with an effective date of application (which includes a delay and a transition period): the all
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Someone has inserted a summary bar at the bottom of this article which implies that the Cook Islands and Niue are included in New Zealand's membership of the Forum as "Self Governing Territories". Whilst they are indeed self governing territories of New Zealand, the Cook Islands and Niue are actually
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They should have not been removed early just by reading some news or personal opinions of some political leaders (all the linked references are just news articles in various medias, all of them informal, none of them from any official legal source of these 5 countries!) without initiating any formal
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has still not taken his office -- planned later, but not before May 2021, and this may still be postponed, with Meg Taylor possibly continuting the interim if nomination and vote procedures are not terminated: there are still lot of negociations to find a solution to this crisis which may just be
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True, but also it doesn't make a lot of sense to have information on the MSG here when the MSG is quite separate from the PIF. The fact that "Melanesian Spearhead Group" redirects here when this entry doesn't mention the MSG, just its trade agreement, is also a concern. There is also a revised
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in April 2021. The PIF secretariat has still not received any formal decision, and not even initiated any withdrawal discussions and negociations. So the only thing seen for now is a closure of a few diplomatic missions (estimated as "non longer necessary", but still the Micronesian countries
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The comment that Tonga is the only "smaller island nation" with its own currency is confusing if not misleading. Tonga is not defined as a Small Island State under the PACER, and is certainly not the only FIC with its own currency (PNG Kina, Solomon Dollar, Fiji Dollar, Vanuatu Vatu, Samoan
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to Mr. Slade, Secretary-General of PIF Secretariat, welcoming and thanking Mr. Key, Prime Minister of New Zealand, for hosting the meeting. I provide this talk page entry because the IP editor gave no edit summary and provided no citation when he
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The five Micronesian countries have not yet formally left the Forum. What happened in February 2021 is that Palau (followed by the other four) began the process that will lead to withdrawal. They are expected to formally withdraw
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Thanks. In the infobox, the "Membership" tab doesn't list the Micronesian countries, and data concerning those countries seems to have been removed from every aspect of that inbox (such as the list of currencies).
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full members of the Forum in their own right, in equality with all other members, and should be classed here as such. Trouble is - I don't know how to edit this membership "object". Can anyone do it for me? --
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Nice table, but it is hard to figure out which row of data pertains to the countries mentioned in this article, if any. An annotation would help, or distinguishing formatting if that is not too challenging.
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I updated the GDP per capita, GDP, and population. I'm not sure who did it originally, or where they got their data, but the data should make more sense now. Calculated based on IMF and CIA factbook data.
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I changed "Former" to "Departing" in the table. The text already notes the lengthy time needed to leave. Noting as well that you have restored the previous map version. What else needs to be updated?
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Australias population alone is triple this, and when combined with the populations of other members, surely it would be much higher? I'm going to correct the population figures.
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of 2005, which is not in force yet (and which will eventually terminate the 2000 agreement). Right now the Forum simply is a political gathering without a legal foundation.
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maintain their official "warm" relations). Beware when you read the news or when some political leaders affirm something that is not confirmed by legal instruments.
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The actual population of all of these countries, according to the population data given by wikipedia on each of these nations, is 34,137,339. I will do the editing.
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Palau withdrew from the Pacific Islands Forum on February 4th and is no longer a member. Could somebody update the maps on the article to reflect this? Thanks.
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though? Perhaps there are some formalities we are unaware of, much like the previous announcements of withdrawal. Or perhaps it's a diplomatic tussle.
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Wallis and Futuna has been observer since 2006, and will probably become associate member during this week meeting. The map would need to be modified
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temporary). As well they are still all full member of the larger Pacific Union (in which PIF is now a subregional entity, with just larger goals).
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In the navbox template at page bottom, should the Pacific Islands Forum be listed as one of the customs unions? Here is a link to the template:
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The Bougainville and Tonga operations mentioned in the article are not conducted under the Biketawa Declaration. That should be corrected.
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PIF website... Let's say it outdated, too many decade-old materials that are even lack of useful informations on their opinion of
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I've put back the members and entirely removed the list of currencies and time zones, as trivia unrelated to the PIF itself.
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PIF is not proposing a common currency. This section has nothing to do with PIF. Any objection against a complete delete?
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Reflecting recent events, can somebody please update the maps to reflect the five states' exit from the Forum? Thanks.
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the GD per capita is just too low, consider 25 out of 35 lve in aus and NZ both with 30000 + gdpprcapita's.
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Kiribati withdrew from the Forum in 2022, why hasn't this article been updated to reflect this?
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MSG has nothing to do with PIF. Anybody please move the MSG section to a separate article.
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There has been only public declarations of intents recently since February 2021, but
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of the country hosting the Forum's annual meeting. From September 7, 2011, here is
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Some updating needed here. The "new millenium" has been here for nine years now.
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also suggests Kiribati is out, despite others remaining in. They're still on the
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P.S. If you want the definitive GDP figures for most of these countries, see the
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no longer participating, we can realistically consider it as a former member.
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is still the elected secretary currently in charge, and the newly elected
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the role of meeting chair is generally assumed by the head of government
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A news item involving Pacific Islands Forum was featured on Knowledge's
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For now the 5 Micronesian countries are still full members of the Forum
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