Knowledge

Talk:OGAE Second Chance Contest

Source 📝

617:
would be unneeded if full results were added, most notably the table of winners. I suggest this because on the article for the Eurovision Song Contest, the winners are touched upon but there is no full table of every winner since there is a different article related to that. Another solution could be to create different articles for each decade of the contest. I am unsure if this would meet notability requirements, and it would be a bit of a hassle, but it would clear a lot of space on the main article and allow us to insert full results. The last idea I have is to simply add the results to the article in its current state, as this has been done before in other not-quite-notable contests such as the article for Liet International. This of course would make the article quite big, and is probably the least appealing option. We could also just not add the results, but that feels like a waste to me since the results of each contest exist and are readily available on websites outside of Knowledge, which makes the article in its current state feel incomplete. If you have any other ideas, they are more than welcome.
360: 339: 575:
meet the standards of notability, but as this is an article encompassing the whole history of the contest I think it is worth adding full results for a more complete outline of each year. I thought of this suggestion while remembering the pages of various national finals in Eurovision proper, such as Finland's UMK or Australia's Australia Decides, where the results of each final are shown. I propose we apply this format to this page, but make each table collapsible so the page doesn't get crowded. Does this seem at all feasible?
248: 206: 308: 574:
Hi! I was just wondering, would it be at all possible to add the full results of each OGAE Second Chance Contest (including the Retrospectives) below each description of the corresponding year, but make it collapsible so as to not crowd the article? I am aware that each contest on its own does not
616:
I was not aware of the don't hide rule, thank you for bringing that to my attention! I do agree that the article size would get very big very fast if we added all the results, which wouldn't really be ideal. I do have some possible solutions to this, though. We could remove some information that
153: 147: 555:
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not.
427: 564: 643: 410: 626: 607: 618: 576: 44: 584: 436: 653: 400: 168: 135: 79: 658: 440: 289: 376: 85: 129: 648: 569: 213: 125: 30: 222: 367: 344: 226: 451:
article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
375:-related topics on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join 175: 534: 99: 447:'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for 104: 20: 293: 74: 508: 461: 319: 518: 285: 65: 141: 444: 429: 230: 218: 24: 229:. Please limit discussion to improvement of this article. You may wish to ask factual questions about 603: 466: 513: 234: 109: 595: 594:. I'm not per se against putting all the results on this page, but I am a bit worried that the 590:
Interesting idea. If those results should be added, they should at least not be collapsed, per
622: 580: 325: 599: 486: 372: 8: 559: 307: 55: 70: 190: 51: 359: 338: 161: 256: 556: 539: 439:
to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for
186: 637: 247: 591: 284:) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other 191: 188: 492: 192: 443:
in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of
160: 493:"Participants - ABU TV and Radio Song Festivals 2012" 371:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of 15: 467:"Eurovision Song Contest Participants – Malmö 2013" 635: 33:for general discussion of the article's subject. 242: 174: 437:Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting 644:Knowledge articles that use British English 260:, which has its own spelling conventions ( 490: 305: 636: 514:"Eurovision Song Contest Participants" 292:, this should not be changed without 365:This article is within the scope of 301: 200: 324:It is of interest to the following 23:for discussing improvements to the 13: 654:Top-importance Eurovision articles 14: 670: 540:"OGAE Second Chance Contest 2013" 659:All WikiProject Eurovision pages 491:Mikheev, Andy (16 August 2012). 385:Knowledge:WikiProject Eurovision 358: 337: 306: 246: 204: 45:Click here to start a new topic. 535:OGAE Second Chance Contest 2013 455:Reference named "Participants": 405:This article has been rated as 388:Template:WikiProject Eurovision 1: 379:and see a list of open tasks. 217:for general discussion about 42:Put new text under old text. 509:Eurovision Song Contest 2012 462:Eurovision Song Contest 2013 7: 649:C-Class Eurovision articles 570:Adding collapsible results? 565:04:53, 9 January 2015 (UTC) 519:European Broadcasting Union 471:European Broadcasting Union 50:New to Knowledge? Welcome! 10: 675: 627:12:41, 2 August 2021 (UTC) 608:08:19, 2 August 2021 (UTC) 585:02:54, 2 August 2021 (UTC) 445:OGAE Second Chance Contest 430:OGAE Second Chance Contest 411:project's importance scale 231:OGAE Second Chance Contest 219:OGAE Second Chance Contest 25:OGAE Second Chance Contest 404: 353: 332: 80:Be welcoming to newcomers 435:I check pages listed in 428:Orphaned references in 368:WikiProject Eurovision 314:This article is rated 75:avoid personal attacks 100:Neutral point of view 598:would go sky high. ― 487:ABU TV Song Festival 290:relevant style guide 286:varieties of English 221:. Any such comments 105:No original research 441:orphaned references 391:Eurovision articles 288:. According to the 320:content assessment 216: 86:dispute resolution 47: 425: 424: 421: 420: 417: 416: 300: 299: 241: 240: 212: 199: 198: 66:Assume good faith 43: 666: 562: 551: 549: 547: 530: 528: 526: 504: 502: 500: 482: 480: 478: 393: 392: 389: 386: 383: 362: 355: 354: 349: 341: 334: 333: 317: 311: 310: 302: 253:This article is 250: 243: 208: 207: 201: 193: 179: 178: 164: 95:Article policies 16: 674: 673: 669: 668: 667: 665: 664: 663: 634: 633: 600:Jochem van Hees 572: 560: 545: 543: 538: 524: 522: 512: 498: 496: 476: 474: 465: 433: 390: 387: 384: 381: 380: 347: 318:on Knowledge's 315: 294:broad consensus 257:British English 205: 195: 194: 189: 121: 116: 115: 114: 91: 61: 12: 11: 5: 672: 662: 661: 656: 651: 646: 632: 631: 630: 629: 611: 610: 571: 568: 553: 552: 531: 505: 483: 473:. 1 March 2013 432: 426: 423: 422: 419: 418: 415: 414: 407:Top-importance 403: 397: 396: 394: 377:the discussion 363: 351: 350: 348:Top‑importance 342: 330: 329: 323: 312: 298: 297: 251: 239: 238: 235:Reference desk 223:may be removed 209: 197: 196: 187: 185: 184: 181: 180: 118: 117: 113: 112: 107: 102: 93: 92: 90: 89: 82: 77: 68: 62: 60: 59: 48: 39: 38: 35: 34: 28: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 671: 660: 657: 655: 652: 650: 647: 645: 642: 641: 639: 628: 624: 620: 615: 614: 613: 612: 609: 605: 601: 597: 593: 589: 588: 587: 586: 582: 578: 567: 566: 563: 558: 541: 536: 532: 521: 520: 515: 510: 506: 494: 488: 484: 472: 468: 463: 459: 458: 457: 456: 452: 450: 446: 442: 438: 431: 412: 408: 402: 399: 398: 395: 378: 374: 370: 369: 364: 361: 357: 356: 352: 346: 343: 340: 336: 335: 331: 327: 321: 313: 309: 304: 303: 295: 291: 287: 283: 279: 275: 271: 267: 263: 259: 258: 252: 249: 245: 244: 236: 232: 228: 224: 220: 215: 211:This page is 210: 203: 202: 183: 182: 177: 173: 170: 167: 163: 159: 155: 152: 149: 146: 143: 140: 137: 134: 131: 127: 124: 123:Find sources: 120: 119: 111: 110:Verifiability 108: 106: 103: 101: 98: 97: 96: 87: 83: 81: 78: 76: 72: 69: 67: 64: 63: 57: 53: 52:Learn to edit 49: 46: 41: 40: 37: 36: 32: 26: 22: 18: 17: 596:article size 592:MOS:DONTHIDE 573: 554: 544:. Retrieved 542:. OGAE Spain 523:. Retrieved 517: 497:. Retrieved 495:. escKaz.com 475:. Retrieved 470: 454: 453: 448: 434: 406: 366: 326:WikiProjects 281: 277: 273: 269: 265: 261: 254: 171: 165: 157: 150: 144: 138: 132: 122: 94: 19:This is the 619:Granfcanuon 577:Granfcanuon 546:9 September 255:written in 214:not a forum 148:free images 31:not a forum 638:Categories 382:Eurovision 373:Eurovision 345:Eurovision 227:refactored 557:AnomieBOT 499:17 August 266:travelled 88:if needed 71:Be polite 21:talk page 525:10 March 278:artefact 56:get help 29:This is 27:article. 477:1 March 409:on the 316:C-class 282:analyse 274:defence 233:at the 154:WP refs 142:scholar 322:scale. 270:centre 262:colour 126:Google 533:From 507:From 485:From 460:From 169:JSTOR 130:books 84:Seek 623:talk 604:talk 581:talk 548:2013 527:2012 501:2012 479:2013 449:this 162:FENS 136:news 73:and 401:Top 225:or 176:TWL 640:: 625:) 606:) 583:) 537:: 516:. 511:: 489:: 469:. 464:: 280:, 276:, 272:, 268:, 264:, 156:) 54:; 621:( 602:( 579:( 561:⚡ 550:. 529:. 503:. 481:. 413:. 328:: 296:. 237:. 172:· 166:· 158:· 151:· 145:· 139:· 133:· 128:( 58:.

Index

talk page
OGAE Second Chance Contest
not a forum
Click here to start a new topic.
Learn to edit
get help
Assume good faith
Be polite
avoid personal attacks
Be welcoming to newcomers
dispute resolution
Neutral point of view
No original research
Verifiability
Google
books
news
scholar
free images
WP refs
FENS
JSTOR
TWL
not a forum
OGAE Second Chance Contest
may be removed
refactored
OGAE Second Chance Contest
Reference desk

Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.