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be multidimensional beyond space-time, thus could coexist with humans, yet remain undetected." I don't think you can in all fairness attribute this 'Interdimensional
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I don't know why this hasn't been done already but I used Google translate to translate the above words from French into
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Votre père, c'est le diable, et vous voulez vous conformer à ses désirs. Depuis le commencement, c'est un meurtrier: il ne se tient pas dans la vérité, parce qu'il n'y a pas de vérité en lui. Lorsqu'il ment, il parle de son propre fond, puisqu'il est menteur, lui le père du mensonge.
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