Knowledge

Talk:Hospitium

Source 📝

869:. 13.36.1, 52.1, 73.2). The Roman nobility, as Wiseman has observed, maintained extensive ties of hospitium with other nobles both elsewhere in Italy and overseas. Livy could thus write, reconstructing the past in terms of his own experience, that Tarquinius Superbus 'strove particularly to befriend the Latin people, so that his strength abroad might contribute to his security at home. He contracted with their nobles ties not only of hospitium but also of marriage' (Liv. 1.49.8). It appears unlikely that ties potent enough to be deemed commensurate with marriage and with improving the security of one's political position were established to fulfil emotional needs." (This bit has to do with the reviewer's complaint that Konstan's analysis is too cuddly.) 163: 142: 663:. So the Greek came through as nonsense characters, the style is archaic, the content omits 20th- and 21st-century scholarship, and the article isn't Wiki-organized. Users, however, won't go away with a misbegotten notion of what hospitium was. I added a link to the equivalent Smith's entry, and replaced the gibberish with actual Greek. I agree that a more thorough revision would be welcome, and I'm surprised that two years after Ogre's flag nobody's undertaken it. 281: 561: 540: 22: 571: 173: 74: 53: 794:? Or deleting it, except for the conventional "the Greek equivalent is" and summary background on how (or if) the two concepts were explicitly seen as a continuity in ancient sources. If this is acceptable, and Cardiff Chestnut would volunteer to do it, I could cobble together a few basic paragraphs for 897:
as concept would probably be the only real way to approach continuity if anyone really thinks there was any significant continuity, as opposed to a demonstrable parallel, which is of course a viable approach, but harder to present briefly and critically. (Still, I'll bet that somewhere else in
874:
Here as elsewhere the parallel is a modern argument, not something framed as an antique realization of Graeco-Roman commonality. The sort of easy lexical parallels that classicists like to fall back on in these situations are lacking. The Greek side can offer none:
511: 124: 881:
is a late (1st in 4th c.) borrowing that brought with it only the meanings "house" and "hospital". A couple Latin texts almost make the connnection (Vitruvius 6.7.4, Serv. on
935: 685:
as a Roman social institution. (And come to think of it, the Greek concept and practice should probably be a separate article, and not squeezed under the Latin term.)
114: 940: 774:
however, seems to be primarily a practical social institution of the usual Roman "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" sort, best discussed in relation to
717:
Yikes! That's just a teardown: unadulterated Britannica gibberish. I'd be willing to tag-team it with someone who cares about Rome in the semi-distant future. —
930: 431: 750:
redirects. Might the solution be to treat the two concepts separately, according to article title? Although plenty of RS equate the two, I'm not convinced that
85:, a group of contributors interested in Knowledge's articles on classics. If you would like to join the WikiProject or learn how to contribute, please see our 849:
to K.'s subject can be demonstrated simply by citing Cicero's remarks concerning Deiotarus ('public life has bound me to him in friendship , mutual regard in
627: 766:
article, at any rate, emphasizes hospitality as an ideal given mythological character, and perhaps out of ignorance, that's what I too think of in regard to
234: 710: 90: 659:
The article isn't exactly below Knowledge standards; it just doesn't conform to Knowledge conventions. It was apparently taken letter-by-letter from the
660: 318: 86: 81: 58: 965: 617: 681:
And whatever's happened in the meantime to the article, it's still not modernized a year later, and is particularly deficient in describing
950: 335: 224: 970: 960: 955: 945: 913: 811: 350: 300: 445: 314: 593: 822: 694: 672: 853:, intercourse in intimacy ; while his great services to me and to my army have riveted me to him by the closest of ties ' ( 396: 259: 820:. I'll think about this, but offer a few things now. Some helpful material or bibliography might be found in Konstan's 584: 545: 269: 264: 732: 370: 254: 200: 191: 147: 857:. 14.39)), or his letters 'to his friends', in which he uses stock phrases such as 'I have with X ties not only of 754:
in the so-called "central" period of Roman history (2nd century BC to 2nd century AD) has all that much to do with
816:
Yeah, the Greek material, save some obligatory backgrounding/comparatisting, should probably just be deleted from
742:
without distracting myself too much from another off-wiki project I've got going. But I'd forgotten we also have
407: 449: 424: 307: 293: 33: 380: 357: 837:"If one read only this book, one could easily end up under the impression that no such institution as 907: 726: 702: 483: 653: 893:
where Gk. authors would use a ξεν-word (Diod. Sic. 6.9.1)), but these would require OR, so a RS on
343: 592:
on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
195:, an attempt to better organize and improve the quality of information in articles related to the 473: 21: 479: 178: 499: 466: 39: 901: 720: 413: 384: 388: 8: 576: 331: 807: 690: 668: 363: 325: 400: 898:
Cicero's letters there's some repulsive statement that could clear the clouds.) —
644: 456: 196: 762:
or myths involving the sacredness of the stranger received into one's home. The
495: 438: 924: 803: 791: 743: 686: 664: 650: 392: 649:
This article is a mess, dificult to read and not up to Knowledge standards!
589: 462: 162: 141: 802:? (BTW, surely "cheerful" is the word needed above, not "insufferable".) 491: 280: 417: 795: 787: 747: 172: 560: 539: 570: 376: 487: 73: 52: 876: 845:
discussed in K.'s book, had ever existed. The relevance of
89:. If you need assistance from a classicist, please see our 432:
Category:Knowledge requested photographs of Catholicism
711:
Knowledge talk:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome
588:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of 566: 168: 826:(Cambridge, 1997), which doesn't appear to mention 798:. And I suppose we should copy this discussion to 936:Low-importance Classical Greece and Rome articles 922: 319:Category:Unknown-importance Catholicism articles 941:All WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome pages 889:. 57's paraphrase of the Bellerophon myth uses 782:. What would anyone think of simply moving any 99:Knowledge:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome 931:Start-Class Classical Greece and Rome articles 102:Template:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome 738:I could knock out something semi-coherent on 661:scanned online version of the 1911 Britannica 19: 288:Here are some tasks awaiting attention: 351:Category:WikiProject invitation templates 885:. 4.424 and, perhaps more closely, Hyg. 446:Category:Stub-Class Catholicism articles 315:Category:Unassessed Catholicism articles 923: 82:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome 966:Low-importance Christianity articles 582:This article is within the scope of 79:This article is within the scope of 15: 951:Low-importance Catholicism articles 397:American Board of Catholic Missions 38:It is of interest to the following 13: 834:88 (1997) 181–2, at 182) remarks: 602:Knowledge:WikiProject Christianity 199:. For more information, visit the 105:Classical Greece and Rome articles 14: 982: 971:WikiProject Christianity articles 961:Start-Class Christianity articles 823:Friendship in the Classical World 605:Template:WikiProject Christianity 209:Knowledge:WikiProject Catholicism 956:WikiProject Catholicism articles 946:Start-Class Catholicism articles 830:. One reviewer (Gabriel Herman, 569: 559: 538: 349:Invitation template needed, see 279: 212:Template:WikiProject Catholicism 171: 161: 140: 72: 51: 20: 841:, the Roman counterpart of the 622:This article has been rated as 229:This article has been rated as 119:This article has been rated as 450:Category:Catholic Church stubs 1: 596:and see a list of open tasks. 7: 914:03:10, 6 January 2012 (UTC) 812:20:41, 5 January 2012 (UTC) 733:18:48, 5 January 2012 (UTC) 695:15:23, 16 August 2009 (UTC) 673:19:06, 19 August 2008 (UTC) 385:Bishop Adolph John Paschang 381:Roman Catholicism in Kosovo 10: 987: 877: 654:16:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC) 628:project's importance scale 235:project's importance scale 125:project's importance scale 621: 554: 484:Archbishop of Westminster 241: 228: 156: 118: 96:Classical Greece and Rome 67: 59:Classical Greece and Rome 46: 585:WikiProject Christianity 514:for Catholicism articles 192:WikiProject Catholicism 189:is within the scope of 861:, but also of closest 480:Archdiocese of Glasgow 246:Catholicism task list: 179:Catholic Church portal 28:This article is rated 902:the cardiff chestnut 721:the cardiff chestnut 608:Christianity articles 500:Westminster Cathedral 467:John Aloysius Maguire 414:Americanism (heresy) 215:Catholicism articles 577:Christianity portal 332:Blessed Virgin Mary 34:content assessment 703:Three years later 642: 641: 638: 637: 634: 633: 533: 532: 529: 528: 525: 524: 521: 520: 389:Cum sæpe accidere 364:Cuthbert Tunstall 135: 134: 131: 130: 978: 911: 910: 904: 880: 879: 730: 729: 723: 713: 610: 609: 606: 603: 600: 579: 574: 573: 563: 556: 555: 550: 542: 535: 534: 294:Article requests 283: 276: 275: 243: 242: 217: 216: 213: 210: 207: 181: 176: 175: 165: 158: 157: 152: 144: 137: 136: 107: 106: 103: 100: 97: 76: 69: 68: 63: 55: 48: 47: 31: 25: 24: 16: 986: 985: 981: 980: 979: 977: 976: 975: 921: 920: 906: 900: 899: 725: 719: 718: 709:NB—copied from 708: 705: 647: 607: 604: 601: 598: 597: 575: 568: 548: 517: 274: 214: 211: 208: 205: 204: 197:Catholic Church 177: 170: 150: 104: 101: 98: 95: 94: 61: 32:on Knowledge's 29: 12: 11: 5: 984: 974: 973: 968: 963: 958: 953: 948: 943: 938: 933: 919: 918: 917: 916: 872: 871: 870: 800:Talk:Hospitium 715: 714: 704: 701: 700: 699: 698: 697: 676: 675: 646: 643: 640: 639: 636: 635: 632: 631: 624:Low-importance 620: 614: 613: 611: 594:the discussion 581: 580: 564: 552: 551: 549:Low‑importance 543: 531: 530: 527: 526: 523: 522: 519: 518: 516: 515: 512:recent changes 502: 496:Sanctification 469: 452: 434: 420: 403: 401:Bernard Häring 366: 353: 339: 321: 303: 301:Draft articles 287: 285: 284: 273: 272: 267: 262: 257: 251: 248: 247: 239: 238: 231:Low-importance 227: 221: 220: 218: 183: 182: 166: 154: 153: 151:Low‑importance 145: 133: 132: 129: 128: 121:Low-importance 117: 111: 110: 108: 77: 65: 64: 62:Low‑importance 56: 44: 43: 37: 26: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 983: 972: 969: 967: 964: 962: 959: 957: 954: 952: 949: 947: 944: 942: 939: 937: 934: 932: 929: 928: 926: 915: 909: 903: 896: 892: 888: 884: 873: 868: 864: 863:familiaritas' 860: 856: 852: 848: 844: 840: 836: 835: 833: 829: 825: 824: 819: 815: 814: 813: 809: 805: 801: 797: 793: 792:Xenia (Greek) 789: 786:content from 785: 781: 777: 773: 769: 765: 761: 758:in, say, the 757: 753: 749: 745: 744:Xenia (Greek) 741: 737: 736: 735: 734: 728: 722: 712: 707: 706: 696: 692: 688: 684: 680: 679: 678: 677: 674: 670: 666: 662: 658: 657: 656: 655: 652: 629: 625: 619: 616: 615: 612: 595: 591: 587: 586: 578: 572: 567: 565: 562: 558: 557: 553: 547: 544: 541: 537: 536: 513: 509: 507: 503: 501: 497: 493: 489: 485: 481: 478: 476: 475: 470: 468: 464: 461: 459: 458: 453: 451: 447: 443: 441: 440: 435: 433: 429: 427: 426: 421: 419: 415: 412: 410: 409: 404: 402: 398: 394: 393:Altar Society 390: 386: 382: 378: 375: 373: 372: 367: 365: 362: 360: 359: 354: 352: 348: 346: 345: 340: 337: 333: 330: 328: 327: 322: 320: 316: 312: 310: 309: 304: 302: 298: 296: 295: 290: 289: 286: 282: 278: 277: 271: 268: 266: 263: 261: 258: 256: 253: 252: 250: 249: 245: 244: 240: 236: 232: 226: 223: 222: 219: 202: 198: 194: 193: 188: 187: 180: 174: 169: 167: 164: 160: 159: 155: 149: 146: 143: 139: 138: 126: 122: 116: 113: 112: 109: 92: 88: 84: 83: 78: 75: 71: 70: 66: 60: 57: 54: 50: 49: 45: 41: 35: 27: 23: 18: 17: 894: 890: 886: 882: 866: 862: 858: 854: 850: 846: 842: 838: 831: 827: 821: 817: 799: 783: 779: 775: 771: 767: 763: 759: 755: 751: 739: 716: 682: 648: 623: 599:Christianity 590:Christianity 583: 546:Christianity 505: 504: 472: 471: 455: 454: 437: 436: 423: 422: 406: 405: 369: 368: 356: 355: 342: 341: 324: 323: 306: 305: 292: 291: 230: 201:project page 190: 185: 184: 120: 87:project page 80: 40:WikiProjects 746:, to which 492:Saint Mungo 463:Peer review 344:Collaborate 206:Catholicism 148:Catholicism 30:Start-class 925:Categories 772:Hospitium, 418:Ensoulment 895:hospitium 891:hospitium 859:hospitium 851:hospitium 847:hospitium 839:hospitium 828:hospitium 818:hospitium 796:Hospitium 788:Hospitium 780:clientela 752:hospitium 748:theoxenia 740:hospitium 683:hospitium 336:talk page 334:(see the 186:Hospitium 91:talk page 878:ὁσπίτιον 855:De Deiot 804:Cynwolfe 776:amicitia 687:Cynwolfe 665:Cynwolfe 651:The Ogre 358:Copyedit 645:Wikify! 626:on the 377:Angelus 326:Cleanup 260:history 233:on the 123:on the 867:ad Fam 865:(e.g. 510:Watch 488:Bishop 474:Verify 457:Update 371:Expand 308:Assess 36:scale. 843:xenia 784:xenia 768:xenia 764:xenia 760:Iliad 756:xenia 506:Other 439:Stubs 425:Photo 270:purge 265:watch 908:talk 808:talk 778:and 727:talk 691:talk 669:talk 444:see 430:see 408:NPOV 313:see 299:see 255:edit 912:— 887:Fab 883:Aen 832:JRS 790:to 731:— 618:Low 225:Low 115:Low 927:: 905:| 810:) 770:. 724:| 693:) 671:) 498:; 494:; 490:; 486:; 482:; 465:; 448:; 416:; 399:; 395:; 391:; 387:; 383:; 379:; 317:; 806:( 689:( 667:( 630:. 508:: 477:: 460:: 442:: 428:: 411:: 374:: 361:: 347:: 338:) 329:: 311:: 297:: 237:. 203:. 127:. 93:. 42::

Index


content assessment
WikiProjects
WikiProject icon
Classical Greece and Rome
WikiProject icon
WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome
project page
talk page
Low
project's importance scale
WikiProject icon
Catholicism
WikiProject icon
icon
Catholic Church portal
WikiProject Catholicism
Catholic Church
project page
Low
project's importance scale
edit
history
watch
purge

Article requests
Draft articles
Assess
Category:Unassessed Catholicism articles

Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.