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Ottomans. The independence of Albania was supported by most Albanians aside from some Muslim extremists, which culminated in the revolt which you speak of in 1914 - this revolt was mainly led by peasants in central Albania, and was heavily opposed by Albanians from the north, the south, Kosovo etc. The Albanians suffered just as much as the Greeks if not more during the reign of the Ottoman Empire. They were used as soldiers due to their prowess and reputation as warriors and fighters, that is true, but they were left behind entirely in regards to education, infrastructure, development, trade etc. The Ottomans oppressed the Albanians just as they oppressed the Greeks. I get that you are trying to make the point that Albanians were pro-Ottoman, but the countless Albanian rebellions, uprisings and general anti-Ottoman activities during the Ottoman period clearly illustrate that they did not want to be part of the Ottoman Empire and therefore under the rule of foreigners.
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