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Company web pages. Interestingly, these "Terms and Conditions" are only available after you enter your personal information (Name, address, phone, SSN, Credit Card #) by performing several clicks on links next to(already pre-chosen)"I Agree" boxes on sign up pages many people would not notice because it is not required you check it yourself, indicating you know they exist and have taken the required 20-30 minutes to read several documents, none of which can be downloaded for future reference in writing, as required with a bank, credit card, or other financial services entity.
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thousands of dollars/day in profits for these kinds of companies. The subscription/membership providers know small claims is useless for interstate disputes, so the only legal recourse is to write to the overburdened
Attorney General, gather others who've been wronged, hire a lawyer to file a class action suit. You must also remember to address it with your bank or credit card company, once you discover the cancellation has not been addressed, which is usually AFTER the "90 day refund period offered by CS," meaning you have to order a new credit card to keep them from continuing to charge you, and they keep the money already paid to them that's in dispute because the bank usually writes it off.
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