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relevant to the nature of the claim. Soldiers targeting civilians with frag grenades would almost certainly constitute a war crime the same as trying to shoot them. But using shock grenades or the like would not be. Lethal vs non-lethal force. So is the claim that this was a full-on frag grenade?
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