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which by implication utilizes cognitive faculties, such as evolutionary theory, would be undermined. In this particular case, it is the confluence of evolutionary theory and naturalism that, according to the argument, undermine the reason for believing themselves to be true. Since Plantinga originally formulated the argument, a few theistic philosophers and Christian apologists have agreed. There has also been a considerable backlash of papers arguing that the argument is flawed in a number of ways, one of the more recent ones published in 2011 by Feng Ye (see also the references in the
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explicitly states that the phrase "property is theft" is analogous to the phrase "slavery is murder". According to Proudhon, the slave, though biologically alive, is clearly in a sense "murdered". The "theft" in his terminology does not refer to ownership any more than the "murder" refers directly to physiological death, but rather both are meant as terms to represent a denial of specific rights.
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owned, that is, if nothing is property, there can be no such concept as "theft." Thus, the statement "All property is theft" has an internal contradiction: to use the concept "theft" while denying the validity of the concept of "property," is to use "theft" as a concept to which one has no logical right—that is, as a stolen concept.
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is self-defeating. Faced with a situation of limited resources, egoists would consume as much of the resource as they could, making the overall situation worse for everybody. Egoists may respond that if the situation becomes worse for everybody, the egoist will also be negatively placed, such that it
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While discussing the hierarchical nature of knowledge, Nathaniel Branden states, "Theft" is a concept that logically and genetically depends on the antecedent concept of "rightfully owned property"—and refers to the act of taking that property without the owner's consent. If no property is rightfully
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Determinism is self-defeating. A determinist insists that both determinists and non-determinists are determined to believe what they believe. However, determinists believe self-determinists are wrong and ought to change their view. But "ought to change" implies they are free to change, which, within
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The statements "statements are meaningless unless they can be empirically verified" and "statements are meaningless unless they can be empirically falsified" have both been called self-refuting on the basis that they can neither be empirically verified nor falsified. Similar arguments have been made
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that the combination of naturalism and evolution is "in a certain interesting way self-defeating" because if it were true there would be insufficient grounds to believe that human cognitive faculties are reliable. Consequently, if human cognitive abilities are unreliable, then any human construct,
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Others have said the statement is fallacious only on a superficial reading of Proudhon, devoid of context. Proudhon used the term "property" with reference to claimed ownership in land, factories, etc. He believed such claims were illegitimate, and thus a form of theft from the commons. Proudhon
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One form of an indirect self-denying statement is the "Stolen Concept": the act of using a concept while ignoring, contradicting or denying the validity of the concepts on which it logically and/or genetically depends. The idea of the "Stolen Concept" is generally attributed to be first noted by
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To the author a perfect correlation is identity. Two events that always occur together at the same time in the same place, without any temporal or spatial differentiation at all, are not two events but the same event. The mind-body correlations as formulated at present, do not admit of spatial
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The perhaps ancient, proverbial saying "all things in moderation" is itself a call to excess in that it commands moderation in every single possible thing. An actually moderate assertion would be something like "most things in moderation" or more precisely, "a moderate number of things in
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Hewitt, C. “Large-scale Organizational Computing requires Unstratified Reflection and Strong Paraconsistency” Coordination, Organizations, Institutions, and Norms in Agent Systems III Jaime Sichman, Pablo Noriega, Julian Padget and Sascha Ossowski (ed.). Springer-Verlag.
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of the act or situation of holding them to be true. Many ideas are called self-refuting by their detractors, and such accusations are therefore almost always controversial, with defenders stating that the idea is being misunderstood or that the
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is also self-refuting because if it were true neither it, nor any other idea, would exist, and similarly that an argument to that effect would be self-refuting because it would deny its own existence. Several other philosophers also argue that
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state that "nothing can be known". This has caused some to ask if nothing can be known then can that statement itself be known, or is it self-refuting. One very old response to this problem is
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is a statement of the form "this statement is false". Such statements troubled philosophers, especially when there was a serious attempt to formalize the foundations of logic.
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Walter Block (1998). "Environmentalism and Economic Freedom: The Case for Private Property Rights (Journal of Business Ethics, Vol. 17, No. 16 (Dec., 1998), pp. 1887-1899)".
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that one could actually be a brain in a vat receiving electrical input identical to that which would be coming from the nervous system. Similar premises are found in
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can be offered as a justification for foundationalism. Following the identification of problems with "naive foundationalism", the term is now often used to focus on
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The problem of self-refutation is quite general. It arises whether truth is relativized to a framework of concepts, of beliefs, of standards, of practices.
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Specifically, most of this section is concerned with possible responses to the specific example used by the Objectivist argument, but these are not relevant
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must be applied to itself. The cruder form of the argument concludes that since the relativist is calling relativism an absolute truth, it leads to a
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is invalid. For these reasons, none of the ideas below are unambiguously or incontrovertibly self-refuting. These ideas are often used as
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This particular chapter is based on a 1982 lecture which may explain the shift in the meaning of the term "foundationalism" since then.
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requires regulation. Thus, an argument against the tragedy of the commons, in this belief system, is fundamentally an argument for
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correlation, so they reduce to matters of simple correlation in time. The need for identification is no less urgent in this case.
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for statements such as "no statements are true unless they can be shown empirically to be true", which was a problem for
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Any kind of debate seems to be posited on the idea that the parties involved are trying to change each other's minds.
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is not, in fact, in the egoist's rational self-interest to take things to such extremes. However, the (unregulated)
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that is rich enough to contain elementary arithmetic contains at least one proposition whose interpretation is
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Alston, William P. (2003). "Religious language and verificationism". In Moser, Paul K.; Copan, Paul (eds.).
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are cases in which, on the one hand, it is rational for an individual to seek to take as much as possible
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assumptions), and cannot be used to test themselves, for doing so would lead to only two consequences:
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Directly self-denying statements are characterised by being necessarily (or inherently) false. The
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to do so makes things worse for everybody,, and on the other hand, the behaviour remains rational
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Kraft, Rory E. (2019). "Stolen Concept". In Arp, Robert; Barbone, Steven; Bruce, Michael (eds.).
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Reppert, V. (1992). "Eliminative Materialism, Cognitive Suicide, and Begging the Question".
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is a philosopher that supports and utilizes Plantinga's argument effectively in his book
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Self-refutation plays an important role in some inconsistency tolerant logics (e.g.
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is an example of a scientist-theologian who is supportive of Plantinga's position.
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moderation." However, many philosophers use the saying in the context of ethics.
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standards, to reject relativism. That is, the relativist's arguments can have no
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argues that some versions of the thought experiment would be inconsistent due to
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The Recalcitrant Imago Dei: Human Persons and the Failure of Naturalism.
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Hasan, Ali; Fumerton, Richard (11 March 2018). Zalta, Edward N. (ed.).
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may escape this kind of argument because, rather than eliminating the
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More generally, egoists might say that an increasing respect for
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it is ultimately self-defeating. That is to say, in these cases
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and increasing usable resources despite a fixed amount of
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and the system that recognizes both property rights and
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chosen, which according to the determinist is impossible
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the incompatibilist view, is contrary to determinism.
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logical consequence
argument
axioms
tautological
consistency
circular reasoning
contradiction
Epimenides paradox
Bertrand Russell
Theory of Types
Russell's paradox
axiomatic set theory
Kurt Gödel
independent
logical system
complete
consistent
improve it
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undue weight
Objectivism
WP:FRINGE
create a more balanced presentation
resolve
a different subject
undue weight
a particular aspect rather than the subject as a whole
spinning off
relocating

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