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expansions of existing articles rather than new creations. A better solution, if you want to prioritize work on core topics, would be to offer a bonus for such articles. For example, I think the FA on Fungi was much more valuable to the encyclopedia than an FA on an individual fungus species, and you could offer an extra 10 points (or something) to any successful GA or FA of a core topic.
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and will try to FLC it eventually once the season has completed. Taking that as an example, if 30 Rock (season 4) was confirmed as a FL would I get 40 points just for the FL, or 55 points (40 + 15 for a featured topic entry)? Note that season 4 is already in the topic as a peer reviewed list, so it
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It's clear from the above (Gardern/mine/J's comments) that it's not hard for us to agree on things! :) We'll be fine, we all get along very well, and are all interested in what each other has to say when it comes to decision making. I don't see any major problems coming up, but if there ever was,
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This schedule has been agreed upon by myself and Garden thus far, and I'd like to bring it here to hear any comments or suggestions you guys have about it. Note that the rounds end before the month ends: this is to allow the judges a few days to close everything and prepare for the next round.
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the competition begins. Suggestions/discussion welcome on the talk page. The current rules are on the page as I write this, as understood by myself and iMatthew. They will be subject to change, pending talk page discussion.
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