User talk:David Levy/Archive2

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the situation: the Community Portal design that Heretohelp and I had worked on on the Community Portal page itself was for the most part done. Completed. I was ready to move on to another non-Knowledge project and had already put in the order to speedy delete most of my user page subpages as part of my wrap-up. Then someone reverted the Community Portal to a version that was there last October or so (I didn't actually check the date), and someone else locked the page. So I called for a vote to specifically overturn the reversion. And that's pretty much it. The other redesign got thrown into the fray. Once the design that was reverted is restored to the Community Portal, then another redesign project can commence. This is merely about what page should be on the Community Portal until its next design project is completed. The current page that's on there is a travesty. I just want to get this over with so I can move on to something else. I'd like to try out my newfound HTML skills on a web-page of my own. I'll still be around, but I will most likely cut my involvement down to a few hours per week. I think I'm over my Wikiholic addiction! Sincerely, --

8441:"misinformed." Excepting tests and catastrophic errors, it's downright rude to revert a good-faith edit without providing a summary (even if it's only "see the talk page"). Performing an administrative rollback implies that no explanation is necessary, even if you post one somewhere else. This is especially bad when you're actively participating in a dispute. It sends the message that sysops possess a higher level of authority than other users (and don't need to bother justifying their actions). Of course, it's rude for anyone (sysop or not) to omit an edit summary in such a situation (and there are various scripts that provide similar functionality). 6974:"I did read your comments. I don't doubt that you believe your version to be superior. CoolKatt, however, obviously disagrees. This is an honest dispute, and the solution is not to dismiss opposing viewpoints and unilaterally revert. (Doing so without a summary and marking your edit as "minor" were especially inappropriate.) I suggest that you pursue some sort of mutually acceptable compromise, or at least make an effort to discuss this matter with CoolKatt in a constructive manner. Whether you realize it or not, you are basically attempting to claim ownership of the article." 3055:

disturbing articles. It would also be possible that if an article only uses stable template versions that if you look at an old revision of that article you get exactly that view when it was then. Today this is not possible. On the level of the article you always have the newest version of the template. For some templates and/or articles this is ok, but for some articles this might be not. Upgrading to a new version of a template sometimes needs some adaption, so adapting the article and switching to a new version of the template should ideally happen at the same time.

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though it's being indiscriminately applied (both in wording and practice) to all non-photographic JPEG images. (I have only two on my watchlist, and both were tagged, so I find it difficult to believe that you "made a couple mistakes" when rapidly tagging over 1,800 images.) As I said, many of these images undoubtedly are from JPEG sources (and cannot be visually improved). If an existing image can be saved more efficiently as a PNG or SVG file, why not simply perform the conversion (instead of tagging it and waiting for someone else to do the real work)? —

945:. The orange square that contains the C does have a bunch of gradients and different colors, but on a quick glance I might have thought it was two big blocks of different shades of orange separated by that little squiggle. The same for the big blue square that contains HELP: in a quick glance I probably saw maybe eight or nine different shades of blue there, sharply separated, and missed the subtle gradients. So it's a more complex image than I originally saw, and that's why it was tagged. My two-second evaluation of the image was incorrect. 1251:

confusingly similar mark, on competing products or services. This is to protect consumers, so that trademarks can be reliably associated with specific products (i.e., so that when I go to the store and buy Brand ABC milk, I know that it was actually produced by ABC Company, and not fraudulently labeled "ABC" by the nefarious XYZ Company, trying to make a penny off the good name of ABC). This doesn't really apply to Knowledge, except maybe in articles that would incorporate trademarks of other encyclopedias, or the like. Under

4917:(because I forked our draft into two versions)! HTH and I had to convince you that the independent drafts should be considered only as presentations of potential design elements (which we had been doing since long before I forked our draft). You generated a great deal of confusion by assigning seemingly official status to some (but not all) of the independent drafts, thereby creating the appearance that they were finalists in winner-take-all competition (which is exactly what you unilaterally deemed it). 2120: 5676:

has been discussed and agreed upon. Please consider that your point may have been considered before. Please don't impulsively change some aspect thinking that it hasn't been thought of before now. This design has been compromised willingly to assure that virtually all browsers displaying a variety of skins and at many resolutions "feels" and "looks" as the designers have wanted. All we ask is that y'all be as considerate as the folks that have been here before

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point, could I ask now what are the problems with the particular PNG image in question? It is 37 bytes larger to the GIF version, which is utterly inconsequential. Are there any display problems with this particular image? It works for me in all my browsers. If the only consequence is that someone running IE4 sees a white background instead of a transparent background then I really think that there's no advantage in breaking consistency. --

938:, and so on, and we aren't even close to the letter A yet. So I have tried not to indiscriminately apply this tag to all JPEGs that are not photographs. But I am only human, after all, and what I'm doing isn't especially exciting, so occasionally I find that I've zoned out for the past few images. Maybe it was during one of those periods I tagged both of your images (they would have been right next to each other in the list, you know). 8702:. VFD dealt with userpages and wikipages just fine, only some people didn't realize that - just like VFD dealt with everything else before it got its own process. That had nothing to do with the rename. The rename reached consensus because, even though it was a lot of work, people offered to do so. The intent was, and had always been, to clear up the oxymoron that "VFD is not a vote". MFD was an afterthought. 5078:

protracted discussion goes against my favored appraoch, which is to develop, not endlessly argue over process. And that's where we differ: you seem to be process-oriented, while I just want to get as much done in as little time as possible. If others want to grab a page as their own and revert the hell out of it, let them. Knowledge is huge. I'll just go off and create or overhaul three more. --

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would it not be fair use to use a redrawn version in the same way? What does it matter if the copy of the logo on Knowledge is a byte-for-byte identical copy of an "official" version, or a copy that someone made from scratch? The question of whether an infinitely scalable image like this SVG version still qualifies as fair use might be a different matter, but that's not what we're discussing here. —

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better than GIF (which is generally true for things like photos, due to GIF's color depth limitations) or that JPEG is the "preferred" format for Knowledge (which is not true). And even if the user performed no conversion, there still might be an "original" image in GIF or PNG format. For example, a corporation might have its logo in JPEG format on some Web pages and in GIF format on others.

8424: 5397:, and Knowledge doesn't have an official policy banning April Fool's jokes (though last year's joke went pretty far). I don't think a one sentence message saying that editors are eligible for monetary compensation for their work (which links directly to a site saying that it was a joke in big letters) is vandalism. Also, if you are going to discuss the topic, please 678:"Despite my personal disregard for blogs in general, an examination of the argument shows that the "keep" side made no case: No links demonstrating mentions in media, no statements in parliment about Bloggin Toires, etc etc. Had they done so, I'd happily have seen this article kept. These aren't meant to be me-too pile-ons, they are meant to be debates." 5655: 3181:

looked bad, noticed it is due to the template. Then he saw that template had been change. He then said, ok I disagree with that so I revert that template change. Then immediately all already converted articles were affected and looked horribly broken, which lead to a whole group of editors fixing in parallel on several articles at once.

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it makes good sense to use image formats consistently (to allow for easy manipulation by the software, for example) and moreover PNG is a free format, whereas GIF is not. There is a reason why every Wikimedia project is moving towards standardising media formats. Seeing as the PNG version is updated, I'll switch to that now. --

7394:, he has no problem adding things he speculates are correct, without verification first. I have no personal interest in CK being blocked / not blocked / etc., but simply want to avoid speculation on Wiki. (I'm not sure if this is the right place to make such a comment, but I'm very confused by how the RfC process is going. 3900:

this will be a discussion of the pros and cons of each approach, it will not be a binding vote but rather a gathering of the communities thoughts. You (the principals) having heard from the community in a focused way can decide on the consensus opinion and if you can't decide then go on to another usability project.

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congrats, and I'm sure you'll be great. My theory: you start out as a new contributor and mess up tons just learning the ropes. Then you graduate and become experienced; they hand you the mop. You mess up tons, and then you learn from it, and the cycle continues. Good luck learning the ropes, and have fun! -

5898:! I appreciate your comments and constructive criticism, for every bit helps me become a better Wikipedian. I've started working on the things you brought up, and I hope that next time, things run better; who knows, maybe one day we'll be basking on the shore of Admintopia together. Thanks and cheers, 8762:

It boils down to this. First, it was proposed to rename VFD to clear up once and for all that it is not a vote. This was rejected a couple of times because it would be too much work. Then it was accepted, and a discussion was held on what the new name should be, and whether to keep wikispace pages in

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I read your reply on my user page. It seemed to me that you weren't very pleasant about this matter. I hope that I didn't seem mean earlier. I'm still wondering, however, how it can be that an image can remain on Wikimedia servers, but can't be used on any pages. Also, can I use this image on my user

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I was just about to update that PNG myself but I see you've beaten me to it. Surely it's now much preferable to the GIF (the only difference now is about thirty bytes, which cannot possibly make a difference to anyone who has enough bandwidth to view a wiki page). I'm familiar with IAR of course, but

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You seem to be the only one who actually GIVES A DARN about this ridiculous issue. This was never a problem until YOU TURNED IT INTO ONE. I don't care if you're an administrator or not, this is childish. Whether it's the full name or the shortened acronym, should it matter which one is used??? My

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last night, I was in kind of a funky mood and shouldn't have being doing anything other than fixing grammar and comma faults. The new Mainpage continues to be favorable by a majority near 80% and you're exactly right as to the opposition. Again, my warmest regards for leading the way and consistantly

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oppose votes but not this visceral opposition to a project that has been thought out and considered to the extent that has been the case with this Mainpage redesign. My personal and unspoken target was to achieve 90% to 95% approval. Having an approval in the high 70's is profoundly disappointing to

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Indeed I did. After your comment I thought I should go and give the list another check through. I noticed that I had never seen that user name before and I check his/her edit count. Do you have some problem with my actions? Would you like me to do a more thorough check of the whole list? I just don't

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pages, and has decided to revert them. This being a wiki, that's a valid option. In the end, the consensus-backed versions (whether yours or Locke's) shall prevail. If, in the meantime, edit warring reaches the point of major disruption and/or 3RR violation, all involved editors will be subject to

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but I not so blatantly when it comes down to policy violations, also as stated before Mozilla may be content with giving up their rights but we can't use them unless they're willing to give them up under a proper license and that's Knowledge's rules and one that I don't support blatantly ignoring, as

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The problem is the usage of the words "should be avoided". I have learned now the hard way that you interpret this as "don't ever create and use any template that calls another template". If you say everywhere "avoid to use that", everybody seeks reasons to demonstrate that his or her uses qualify as

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him to say so, thereby putting to rest all doubts. This, however, would not change my template use in the slightest, because I already have decided to err on the side of caution (by avoiding conditional templates completely). I'm speaking on behalf of the community, which I believe is entitled to a

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It's copyright law that comes into play. Copyright is the right to reproduce, or to authorize others to reproduce, intellectual property. The "fair use" clause is what Knowledge claims in order to use logos in articles. This is the same clause that is invoked to allow excerpts from books, scans of CD

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I don't believe that we possess the legal right to display an unauthorized imitation of a copyrighted/trademarked logo. No matter how skilled the creator, it almost certainly would contain some slight variations that set it apart from the real thing. Even if it appears to be perfect, none of us are

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if you haven't already, and see the images that have been tagged. You will see that the vast majority need to be redrawn. Images like the two you presented are exceptions, and were tagged because I made a mistake. The template itself is still valuable tool for identifying areas of Knowledge that need

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Estimad@ amig@ wikipedista. Desde este preciso momento en el que has decidido inscribirte en este Magno Proyecto, eres propietario del conocimiento de los miles, que como tu, han decidido compartirlo con los demás. Suerte en tus colaboraciones, pregunta cuando tengas dudas, léete las páginas que aquí

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so much what version Jimbo prefers. He clearly didn't intend to decree a final wording for the page with his edit. All he was saying was that IAR itself had always been policy as far as he was concerned. That still gives us a lot of latitude for the wording, including the old wording which I prefer.

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to using the PNG. There are only disadvantages. For example, it's incompatible with some older browsers. (I'm not saying that we should compromise the site's integrity for the benefit a small minority of users, but we shouldn't go out of our way to mess things up for them.) GIFs are every bit as

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I visit many sites and it is always a pleasure to return to Knowledge's (insert description) main page. I'm sure that some will find fault, nothing is perfect. But, for a main page designed by the "folks", it's pretty damn good. So, you "slings and arrows" people please realize that every damn pixel

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No scheming here. I was merely trying to avert a revision war. We could do without one of those right now. The poll has remained civil, though Kmf164 is sure in a competitive mood. Nothing harmful, she's just determined to give the other page a fighting chance. So nothing to worry about. Here's

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The help page was open, even though there was a draft, so I bypassed the draft project and went to work directly on the Help Page itself. That page was revamped in a matter of days, due to a collaborative approach - and a lot of users joined in. On the other side, after Round 6's feedback session,

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No offense, but your "coordination" was stifling productivity. You placed yourself in charge, and you dictated exactly what edits would be made and when they would be made. Frankly, the draft that I discovered upon my arrival was a mess (and it drew overwhelming opposition from the community). It

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I apologize if you took it that way and I did not mean any disservice to the hard work you put into the template, also yes I did agree to drop the issue but then took it up again after the realization that there are users who will keep fighting to abuse fairuse (and I don't mean the Firefox image, I

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First, it should be noted that what copyright and trademark are protecting is not the pixel-by-pixel color values of a JPEG from an official source, but rather the overall "image" represented. So we don't need to be so paranoid about getting the logo directly from a corporate Web page and preserving

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Frankly, I'm of the opinion that logos don't belong on Knowledge at all, because I don't see what they add to articles, and they are certainly copyrighted and so invite intellectual property hassles. But the existence of thousands of them is a good indicator that I've been outvoted, so I won't fight

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of the images that can be tagged can simply be resaved as a PNG or SVG file. That would defeat the entire purpose, since the JPEG compression artifacts would still be there, and the resulting file size would always be greater. In order to fix these JPEGs, someone has to either find that the original

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2. You haven't explained (and I don't understand) why "extra attention" should be paid to the fact that these templates contain self-references. How is this information supposed to affect the manner in which the templates are utilized? In other words, in what way should a person put this knowledge

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So we can either 1) name this page "Pages for deletion" and accept the fact that pages in the Knowledge, Help, Portal and User namespaces (and whatever new namespaces appear) can be nominated here, or 2) name this page "Articles for deletion" and fork off a new process page for the other namespaces

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So it boils down to this. We need a mechanism for deletion of pages in the Knowledge namespace. This mechanism is presently VFD. It occasionally gets abused (e.g. the "Wikipedians for Decency" disaster) but it is generally used well (e.g. the "Non-admin noticeboard", "Forbid infobox standardizing",

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Too many people of late are forming ranks and not being open minded about things. I (try to) approach any idea with an open mind, weigh up the concequences and talk about it before firmly coming to a conclusion. Too many of these arguments are turning into "Team politics". This is no way to run an

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24-bit PNG issue was reported long ago, but there's no indication of an impending fix. Regardless, this particular SVG contains alpha-transparency, so it would render as a 24-bit PNG anyway. Additionally, it doesn't match the checkmark icons used in related templates. (The dimensions and styling

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Anyway, this sums up my point; I would like to restate two points, though. Firstly, I'm not trying to sway you my way; vote an even stronger oppose now, if you'd like; this was only to discuss this topic with yourself, as I'd like to see what can be improved. Secondly, what I am doing can be called

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I don't concede that point at all. The larger we become then the more likely that any controversial (subjective) subject will achieve about a 50-50 or so acclaim. It may go 70-30 or so but unless it's DRASTIC it'll not go above 80-20 (taboo subjects etc.). It's becoming like the US political arena,

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Hey you guys and especially Gfi! I hope that I didn't precipitate any bad blood between y'all by addressing my proposal to the three of you, you three just seemed to be in the leadership. I obviously don't agree with all of you, but I thought it efficient in making my point to post directly to the

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article as the "real" 007 logo would. There is no injustice being done by these almost imperceptible differences. This drawing is still covered by the trademark laws that cover the "real" 007 logo, due to their similarity. And if it would qualify as "fair use" to use an official 007 image, then why

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I still don't understand why people insist that logos should not be redrawn. If a logo is redrawn by a Wikipedian to make the image clearer or the file size smaller, but the resolution is not changed, I don't see how this can affect the fair use status of the image. (In fact, I'm not even sure that

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I don't know why people convert things to JPEGs, but it happens. Maybe they took a screenshot instead of just saving the image, and they saved the screenshot as a JPEG. Or maybe they have some mistaken idea that it would be better to convert the image to a JPEG, because JPEG always preserves colors

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I believe I have previously asked you to point me toward the "house style", as you term it. I do not question your edit, per se, but rather the basis on which it was made especially as, to me as a relative outsider, it appears capricious and arbitrary in that it addressed one element of grammar in

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In my opinion, Blueboy's edits and additions have bordered on informative (which, when researched and written properly, are helpful) and sloppy (at times he has changed whole sentences, changing the entire continuity and context of paragraphs which someone else, such as myself, has had to clean up

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Well, if I may say, and no offence to yourself, but if you were to run in an RFA, and a conflict was brought up, would you present your case? I have not argued in the slightest on this RFA; I have brought up points I feel would help my side, and I have not yet even asked anyone to reconsider their

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I wanted to make sure that the message was as clear as possible. It wasn't inaccurate, but it was ambiguous; some people might have mistakenly gotten the impression that they were being invited to vote in an official election (similar to the recent ArbCom elections) to immediately determine a new

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Say that the next time makes a change that really is harmless and is obviously going to deserve discussion, that you'll leave it be and discuss. You've reverted those twice today, once when Radiant! removed the images and once when I put in the text icons. Obviously something here is going on. --

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I wasn't offended, and I assure you that I didn't nominate the template for deletion for any personal reasons. I used those images as examples because I noticed them on my watchlist. (That's how I learned of this template's existence.) I nominated the template for deletion because it appears as

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I'm not in the least bit surprised that Kim has seen something like this rule made up from scratch. I am surprised that it matched any particular version's wording verbatim! But actually, what I came here for was to ask for a ticky mark of a different colour for IAR, because I saw David's name on

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I think if you're really that worked up about PNGs (and I see you've had several discussions about replacing PNGs with GIFs) you should take this to a wider audience - as far as I am aware all of the Wikimedia projects have decided that PNG is a better format than GIF, if for no other reason than

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Yes, sorry, on one of them I forgot to constrain the image size. On the point of the image formats, why do you insist on using GIFs? There may be some problems with the current implementation of SVG (perhaps rendering SVG as 16-bit PNG rather than 24-bit would be a better option) but we have both

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I was wondering if you could clarify this "troubling evidence" that has been cited far and wide. I know of one conflict that was brought to attention, which is really the only blemish in my Wikiservice. I myself agree that said conflict wasn't handled ideally, but as it is in the past, I can only

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I disagree , and I don't appreciate having my input (and that of others) dismissed by someone who believes that he's entitled to overrule community consensus. "Deletion pages are not a "greater authority" are you a "greater authority" whose wisdom allows him to unilaterally decide when mistakes

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But of course no-one is paying me to improve Knowledge so I see little point in butting heads with David who must have his own reasons to maintain the status quo (though he has kept them to himself so far). I will find another way to contribute which involves draining less time on obscure project

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Yes, but I feel as though I've had to go out of my way to prevent you from derailing the project (again, no offense). For example, can you imagine what would have happened if we'd followed your plan for a multi-draft election? The roughly 25% support for keeping the current main page would have

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I agree in principle, but we have to work within the boundaries of system that has emerged, however flawed it may be. Had we simply implemented the new main page design, it would have been reverted within minutes. The current climate has rendered a heated debate unavoidable, so it's preferable to

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or whatever you decide. Post it prominently on this headline page and on the new page describe the two alternatives (many vs two) and invite discussion of the merits of both on the new talk page. The talk page can for example be set-up as two sections: (1) I prefer.... and (2) I prefer.... Since

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I was just involved in a major (and directly related) dispute with the person who convinced an admin to insert the banner, so I didn't feel comfortable making the call to remove it myself (because it would have appeared as though I was spitefully attacking his work). Instead, I decided to merely

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I do see how "topics" isn't the best word to convey the intended message, and I just changed it to "meanings," which hopefully is less ambiguous. Thanks very much for bringing this issue to my attention (instead of reverting). I sincerely appreciate it. If you still have concerns regarding the

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and so is part of the Knowledge project rather than the encyclopaedic content.". Hope thats better. It's easy to know that the articles in the Knowledge namespace is part of the project but not the encyclopaedic content. For templates and categories it would be a little difficult because some are

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I don't know what most of the above is supposed to mean, but I will note that there's a difference between "boldness" and "brashness." I've made many bold edits in the past year (without prior discussion), but deliberately bypassing clear opposition for the purpose of "plowing ahead" with one's

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In this case, though, since it's just a page of text and colors at stake, I don't think anyone is going to take defeat that seriously. And the old version is still going to be made available, so it's not worth fighting over. Because of this there will unlikely be any major problems in terms of

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appears to be quite fond of such code. This is fine for user pages and user talk pages, but I believe that it's inappropriate for use in the encyclopedia proper. Aside from my personal opinion that the rounded edges look bad, I don't think that we should deliberately create major browser-based

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because despite trying I couldn't get the code work without the sidebar and I didn't have an acceptable image to replace the current image that was in there with and I assumed that this being a wiki and all someone would be kind enough to either add an acceptable image or entirely get rid of the

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could specify a certain template version and if that article is semi-protected then the decision to take that version is also protected. The argument of the edit warring per article is a good one. Today it immediately happens on the template. See Firebugs reaction on GWB article. He saw that GWB

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Ok. I think I got your point. Today we have the situation that articles can be individually protected but that does not hinder to change those if they transclude a template that is not protected. Thus the vandalism argument against meta-tmplates. I find that the vandalism argument applies to all

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shall not happen any development. That template is frozen for all times to be the exact version oldid=33438160 of Infobox President. And thus can be fully protected. It would just be some sort of a constant that can be used in articles, a name that can be used to transclude a distinct version of

2421:*sigh* I see you blocked - it's probably best. I bet that once I check my e-mail, my mailbox will be full of "unblock me" messages. These will of course be ignored, just ike the last time... I think I should keep away from 3RRvios and go and live a quiet peaceful life on AfD and stub-sorting :-) 7318:

I personally think that using file formats consistently across the whole project is a good idea (to make manipulation by the software easier, for example). If you want to change the policy of using SVG and PNG over GIF then this is really not the place to do it, but since you want to debate the

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I've found that disagreements can be resolved with considerably greater efficiency when each point of contention is addressed separately. In my experience (both here and elsewhere), this actually reduces the perceived level of hostility by accentuating the constructive nature of each comment.

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next to the current main page I think I've gotten the display pretty close. About the only difference I can see is that on my version with the header links there is slightly less white space between the box title bars and the text of each segment. We could probably tweak to get exactly the same

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I merely want to understand the nature and extent of the problem. I'm more than willing to abide by the developers' recommendations, but Jamesday's statements on this page are not particularly specific. "Using resources unnecessarily is not helpful," but how should we define "unnecessarily"?

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This isn't the first time that someone has taken issue with my username, and it likely wouldn't have been the last. If I'm to be a sysop, I want to serve the community in the most effective manner possible, so it probably was best for me to switch to my real name (which presumably shouldn't be

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To be accurate, the news item referred to two separate events. To make the news item refer to both simultaneously it would need to refer to "acceptance" and declining to accept. "Are awarded" would happen after the declining. I would happily go through the history of ITN and point out the many

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No problem. I'm glad to have someone as good as you alongside me as an admin, as I'm sure you'll do just fine. If you have any questions, ranging from the simplest protection (and now semi) to rangeblocks and taboo issues, feel free to ask myself or any of the other admins/mop weilders. Again,

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Okay, I'll agree with that, although I might be more optimistic about the likely outcome. In any case, I certainly won't complain if someone takes a JPEG from a company's Web page, fixes the artifacts in some graphics program, and then uploads that as a PNG. If someone later comes along with a

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should use the "CoffeeRoll" format. If a template doesn't, it's a safe assumption that it's either the product of a consensus for article placement or a specialized version of a such a template. A talk page link (which many of the templates in question contain) is another clear indication of

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WP:DRV "considers appeals to restore pages that have been deleted. It also considers disputed decisions made in deletion-related fora." Why do you insist upon bypassing the appropriate process? You are, however, correct in stating that you never took the necessary steps to "make a structural

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You're the conservative one, remember? I'm the bold one. It's you who steps in to bring me in check, after I've plowed ahead in one direction or another. I've never monitored your discussion page. That's been you all along. I think it's a waste of time. I'd rather be editing. Even this

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the same thing, except instead of employing the winner-take-all method that you advocated (in which 30 votes for one design would have been worth more than 20 votes for each of four highly similar designs), we combined the most popular elements of the various drafts in the most logical manner

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was only when I complained about your behavior that you decided to "open" the draft to editing (which you never had the right to restrict in the first place), and this is when things started to come together. I didn't fix the draft, mind you; I convinced you to allow the community to fix it.

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If it were realistic to expect a logo reproduced from scratch to be substantially identical to the "real thing," there would be no problem. It isn't the mechanism that I believe is inappropriate; it's the likely outcome (an inaccurate representation of someone else's intellectual property).

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Either would be fine. Why would replicating the logo from scratch be a problem? Do you think it violates copyright law in some way, or do you think it would yield an image that is not "equivalent" to the original, or is there some other problem I'm not seeing? (By the way, I think we can just

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How so? This is a wiki, so respondents shouldn't expect their support or opposition to count toward a precise design that will never be changed. By doing so now (instead of after the election), we actually provide the opportunity to reevaluate the proposed main page before it's implemented

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That could turn out to be an interesting discussion. The process does not seem to be well documented anywhere, and the most detailed description I've gotten from you is that it is a matter of "common sense". Well, that's pretty subjective, so there's a lot of room for argument, and I'm just

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and it should flow freely there. Article editors would then have the opportunity to say, yes that new version is now ready and we do upgrade to that new parameters (or whaterver adaption is needed) and we now switch to the newer version of the template. Development could then proceed without

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I'm afraid so. This isn't the first time that someone has taken issue with my username, and it likely wouldn't be the last. If I'm to be a sysop, I want to serve the community in the most effective manner possible, so it probably is best for me to switch to my real name (which presumably

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I believe there are only registered specifications for a logo in the very specific case of registered trademarks, and trademark law doesn't have a concept of "fair use" (that's part of copyright law). In a nutshell, trademark law prohibits people or organizations from using a trademark, or a

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self-reference and some are not. My underlying agenda is to mark all self-references so in the future one can easily programatically remove them. This would be beneficial for a distinct separation between project and content. Perhaps, all self-references would fall into one big category of

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vote. As another user mentioned, this is a democratic process; people vote based on their opinion of a candidate. In a real-world vote, do candidates just sit on a sideline while their "opposition" brings up faults? So to sum up this section, I was only trying to bring up some of the many

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an exception. I also asked on WP:AUM whether there are any exceptions that qualify as noble ones, ones that are not expected to be removed. But I got no answer. So I suspect now there aren't any. Furthermore I would propose to stop saying we ignore the developers. This is not correct. –

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The issue, as I perceive it, is that we're permitted to use these logos under very specific conditions. I'm not a legal expert, but I don't believe that we're entitled to display what essentially amounts to a knockoff of an official image. I'm not saying that our version needs to be a

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That's precisely what I used to do (complete with color-coding), but several users complained. (You're the first to complain about the interweaving.) Is there a specific guideline that I could follow and point people to? (I was unable to find one.) If not, one should be proposed.

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result in template forking. Different editors would prefer different versions of a template, and would revert war over which one to use. Your idea also would require every article to be updated after every template edit (no matter how minor), unless we were to abandon the concept of

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There wasn't one unified discussion. This issue has arisen on several occasions at various templates' talk pages. I don't recall exactly which ones, but the older, less specific templates are the most likely. (The newer, more specific templates were patterned after the existing

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Bah. I still feel that your comments came across as condescending, and that the "respectfully" was about as useful as "Don't be mad when I say this", but I am totally undone by the artful way thay you nested the bullet points with colour. Bah. I'll go do something useful now. -

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your opinion - like I am. I believe that the images are bad for the templates, and either they need to go, or be replaced with text icons. Would it be wrong for me to revert you? (You see, my point is that your argument works both ways and is how people justify edit wars). --

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I'm also sorry if I was uncivil at all. It's not your fault, I just got stressed trying to defend an image I uploaded with good intentions. Since the image appears to be a copyvio, and I can't use it on the template anyway, I've done the responsible thing and changed my vote to

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By "topics," I meant both article links and singe-sentence mentions of alternative connotations that lack dedicated articles (but often contain links to related articles). I wasn't referring to pages that contain full-fledged write-ups of disparate topics (which, of course, is

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redrawn version, and it's inaccurate or crappily done, we can always revert back to the previous image. Keep in mind, though, that the "original" JPEG image might itself be an inaccurate representation of intellectual property; consider the Mountain Dew logo to the right. ;-) —

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I don't recall anyone commenting that my point-by-point replies seemed adversarial. I believe that the chief complaint pertained to the amount of space that they consumed. On the other hand, several people praised the color-coding. Unfortunately, it's impossible to please

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minor preferences had not been included among the choices. 3. You're failing to consider the impracticality of determining which combinations of elements to include, explaining such an elaborate setup to the community and expecting people to view and compare a dozen or more

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me. My response would be to leave the Mainpage unaltered, perhaps another attempt at some future time might be appropriate but for now, leave it alone. 78% or so isn't overwhelming. Draw your consensus line where you like but from my perspective, it has not been achieved. I

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Yes, there is such a page. I can't remember where I saw it, though. It was a year or more ago. Give me a few days and I'll try to find you the link. And I agree - if we can't find it, let's draft it. If it does turn out to be duplicative, we can always merge it later.

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The consensus is not determined by vote counts, but by interpretation of the results. So if there were 6 drafts almost identical to each other, and those got more support than the Main Page, the Main Page would be replaced -- probably by and amalgamation of the six drafts.

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The committee did not reach any decision regarding localised logos, descriptive texts, or self-identifying slogans. Some members of the committee would like to draw up a style guide, which would cover this issue. Because no decision was reached the discussion is ongoing. -

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The deletion debate took place on the assumption that it was a duplicate of the disambiguation category, which as you point out it is clearly not. So the deletion debate had no particular value. Deletion pages are not somehow a "greater authority" whose mistakes cannot be

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do very little to encourage "a pleasant working atmosphere." You frequently force your preferences against consensus, using whatever type of manipulation is necessary to push them through. You treat fellow editors with utter contempt, and then you wonder why conflicts

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cover art, and so forth to be used. It has nothing to do with the fact that these logos are the trademarks of organizations (because that's covered by trademark law, not copyright law). The exact conditions under which fair use may be claimed are a little fuzzy; see

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for an overview. As far as I can tell, though, the important point here is that copyright law doesn't distinguish between methods of reproduction. So, if we're going to claim fair use, it doesn't matter if we copy the image byte-for-byte, or if we reproduce it from

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I just thought of a better way to put this: what is the advantage of GIF? If the size thing only affects a handful of very small images, which of course are very small, meaning a small increase in size is not a problem, then how is it useful to break consistency?

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No, it isn't. It's part of the stylized logo. Every official textual reference to the program (in the closing credits, at the CBS website, in all promotional materials, etc.) uses the spelling "Gameshow Marathon." A Google search for "gameshow marathon" yields

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Well, if your point is that the admin rollback may only be used for vandalism or newbie tests, then I respectfully disagree with you. If your point was that it wasn't particularly nice of me then I think you have a point, and I apologize for the incivility.

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The image is not legal, and it should not remain on Wikimedia servers. I'm not telling you this to be rude; I'm telling you because this is a very important legal issue for the Wikimedia Foundation. Again, I'm sorry that I can't sugar-coat this for you.

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and finding inappropriate JPEGs there (I'm somewhere in the middle of the C's). Nearly all of the images in that category that are in JPEG format would be happier as PNGs, but there are a few that I have skipped because I felt that JPEG is the best choice:

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You are both experienced Wikipedians and know that to suggest Deletion Review as an appropriate place to make a structural alteration to Knowledge (however minor) really is not a flyer. The debate is always about counting the number of votes and nothing

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want the job of redrawing logos to fall to Joe Newbie, who will pull out Microsoft Paint and puke out a badly drawn bitmap. I expect that if these logos are redrawn, it will be done with some professional-level graphics program. This is one reason the

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The multi-draft election proposal that I finally supported was one in which the winner would go up against the Main Page, thus avoiding the problem of vote dilution (not that vote dilution makes a bit of difference in the consensus building process).

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if this statement is a personal opinion of Halibutt, Molobo, Rydel, and Co, you may continue gaping at your cheap Polish propaganda booklets about alleged Russian massacres, which I daresay are "not considered a credible source even by Knowledge" as

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has been doing some excellent work over the past few days redrawing JPEGs in SVG format, and I've done a few myself, although the best I can do with the software I have is to redraw them as PNGs. The {{badJPEG}} tag exists for the same reason the

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I agree that the process should be simpler than this, but it seems that Knowledge has grown too large for that level of boldness to be accepted or even tolerated. Therefore, it's better to get as much of the tumult out of the way as possible

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The reason is that none of the images that can be tagged can simply be resaved as a PNG or SVG file. That would defeat the entire purpose, since the JPEG compression artifacts would still be there, and the resulting file size would always be

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They are are self-references are they not? From how i see it, there are some templates that do not self-reference because they refer to other article in content, but there are some templates such as status templates which refer to Knowledge

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I agree that the discussion should have been announced on the main page, but this was opposed by a number of individuals. (It was not formally "decided," and I don't have time to search the archives.) The turnout, however, has been very

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That's perfectly fine. Locking the drafts would prevent a revert war, but taht would halt the improvement of the drafts. Let's just calm down, both in how we communicate and how we do the poll. That way, we won't need the help of outside

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Good, I understand now. I didn't know that Rules of thumb meant something like that. I accept your edits, they can remain as gif, what you said makes sense. Thanks for the info, I'm new around here at editing (with an account, at least).

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By "redrawn," do you mean "cleaned up and saved in a different file format" or do you mean "replicated from scratch"? The former is perfectly fine (in my assessment), and I was under the impression that we were discussing the latter.

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Puhleeze CoolKatt, you are being ridiculous, bordering on insane. I didn't do a single thing excpet revert unneeded and redundant info. You have an ArbCom case against you and anything you say or do can and will be used against you.

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1. The importance of the transparent background is much greater, because the images otherwise can be difficult to recognize. (A larger PNG simply doesn't look quite as good, but remains acceptable, especially given the reduced file

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But one problem with the current polling method, is that people change the draft(s), while the voting is taking place, even when the drafts are protected. This risks rendering the results of the poll that much harder to interpret.

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Thanks for looking at this. I think you might have misunderstood it. My intention is not to enable forks. I would propose a standard conduct for template writers and editors that follows some rules. An important rule is that under

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All three of these people need to be watched for 3RR violations. There is an ongoing edit war on various pages and templates regarding the placement of out-of-market stations. CoolKatt, in particular, is close to breaking 3RR on

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link. I started with the last good version, and then I manually added each new comment individually (refactoring and tagging all the while). Meanwhile, the edits kept coming! I finally managed to catch up a few minutes ago.

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be inserted in this manner; it's better for them to appear in the article bodies in shorthand form (surrounded by double curly brackets). This makes them easier to identify and remove (particularly by outside publishers of the

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These are tiny images, and presentation matters. No, I don't want to revert war; I'm merely expressing my opinion. Are you implying that it's wrong for someone to revert changes that he/she believes make templates look bad?

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constituted the plurality, with the remaining 75% split among a dozen slightly different redesigns and those "conditional support" comments ("The draft is almost perfect, but I won't support it unless you change one thing.").

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pixel-for-pixel duplicate of any particular file, but it should fall 100% within the organization's registered specifications. Otherwise, it's an inaccurate representation, and I don't see how that can qualify as fair use. —

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accepted by consensual discussion, it may be useful to vote on what the standard would be (e.g. color, size, pictures on the left/right, etc). Once more, please point out where voting plays a substantial role in discussions.

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is showing its side at this time. I would not have expected the amount of opposition that this proposal is receiving given the remarkable patience and compromise thet you have always shown during the crafting process. Again

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Well, it looks like Kmf's been busy on the Community Portal itself, so it doesn't look as bad as it did after the reversion. She's tidied up the top, including the CBB a bit. But the reversion still needs to be reverted.

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I had not read in the context of the comments not being considered. Though I don't have a clue what the process to be used for weighting them will be. Hence the statement. I was hoping to get more people involved in the

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the resolution of the image has anything to do with "fair use," but I'll play along.) And the JPEG compression artifacts that are present in a logo in JPEG format are obviously not part of the logo, so losing them is fine.

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outdated and dysfunctional index pages, never-used wikiprojects, etc, all got sensible discussion and most ended up deleted). The same applies to userspace - userpage nominations are exceedingly rare but sometimes needed.

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The advice in question was written without condescension. (I even included the word "respectfully," purely as a means of conveying the fact that no disrespect was intended.) I'm sorry that you viewed it as some sort of

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1. How is it beneficial for "people be aware of it"? Why should this particular ordinary element of Knowledge be singled out for notation (as opposed to noting that "this template is rectangular" or "this template is

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wife, who works in publishing, agrees with me on this issue as a matter of offering information of factual, historical value. Without it, the meaning of the initialism can be left open for debate and interpretation.

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Oh, and that user page issue is an absolute joke. You've been gaming the system for months, so don't act as though Locke was the first person to take issue with (and eliminate) your deliberate policy violations.

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I recently was involved in a similar dispute with Rollosmokes, so I don't feel comfortable intervening in an administrative capacity. Please seek the assistance of another sysop. If you do, you're welcome cite

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Why would that be useful? These messages are intended to be temporary and easily removed, and should be readily identifiable via automated means by those who wish to mirror the actual article content elsewhere.

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I've repeatedly explained my reasoning (which is shared by others). You, conversely, decided to simply ignore consensus and once again create your setup without any discussion. —David Levy 16:47, 23 April 2006

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I can see that - it is pretty radical - and seeing all the content at once is useful. Perhaps smaller Iconts in the "browse bar" would be helpful - I think the visual is needed to make the Browse more obvious.

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I'm afraid that I'm stumped regarding a solution to the problem that you described. Ideally, the MediaWiki software would be updated to include such functionality (and eliminate the need for "if" templates).

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It should be noted that in over 8500 edits with the bot, yours was the only negative comment I received. Everyone else was either ambivalent or appreciative. I was somewhat surprised to receive that response.

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Any thoughts on this? Or suggestions on where/to whom I should mention it? (admin noticeboard? someone intelligent from the welcome committee? PR dept? you're the third person i've asked who didnt answer ;)

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Ok thanks for taking part in that discussion. I have now an idea how that proposal would be seen. Think it has not much of a chance. So I will definitely not start a new page. Thanks again for your thoughts.

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Perhaps you've privy to some of Jamesday's comments with which I'm unfamiliar, or maybe your understanding of his intentions is clearer than mine. Regardless, you've misrepresented my stance on this issue.

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that process. It was PFD for a while, then it turned into AFD. So it is factually incorrect that VFD was renamed to clarify it was only for articles, as that was only an issue with one of the proposed names

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So Locke looked through your contributions and found some stuff with which he disagreed. Big deal. No offense, Neto, but I can understand why someone would scrutinize your edits. That isn't tantamount to

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My interest in the case is rather limited, but I will say that the user has been confronted several times about adding speculative information (as opposed to factual information) on Knowledge -- by his own

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which is where any administrator should check in about pending issues on blocks and whatnot. I don't want to repost things that are posted on AN/I thoroughly discussing this so maybe you should go visit?

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mean images that are logos of commercial companies like microsoft) despite being told that fairuse does not allow certain uses and neither does Knowledge policy so I have decided to take the issue back up.

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Just thought you might like to know that the image is designed for use on a white background. Could it be possible for you to make it work with any colour (with variable transparency and the like) thanks!

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preferable to use the PNG format (instead of the GIF format) for static icons, but the merger icons are unusual exceptions. They're very small (in terms of dimensions), and this has two pertinent effects:

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To improve community involvement, and increase voter turn out to as high a degree as possible. That's the only way to optimize feedback. The more people who vote, and more importantly, the more people

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2. Don't you realize that referring to such a template as a "self-reference" while simultaneously including a link to a page entitled "Avoid self-references" strongly implies that the template should be

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He calls that a threat? CoolKatt needs to get a clue as to what a real threat is. I really hate to make this go back-and-forth, but something needs to be done about his behavior. Here is some recent

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voters (including "delete" voters from the AfD debate). I'm not suggesting that you change your mind, but merely that you accept the outcome and move on (instead of harping on how wrong all of us are).

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The problem appears to be that you're using an overly broad definition of the word "vote", that is not backed up by dictionaries. Indeed, the key word is "formal". Votes are formal, discussion is not.

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Please note that I have not edited that template. I am not an admin on en.wp and am unable to edit so carefully protected a template as the ITN. I would not wish you to labour under a misconception. -

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Even if the spacing and colors were to be corrected, it wouldn't make the text-based icons look presentable. Such a setup is okay for copyright tags, but these templates need to look better than that.

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Every pertinent comment by Jamesday that I've read has been something along the lines of "try to avoid using those" or "try to reduce their use." I've never seen him recommend an outright ban. If he

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exceptions to your "rules" - ITN has consistently shown a lack of journalistic background probably because it is done by encyclopedists - but this is hardly worth it. It was also old news yesterday.

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Okay, I see what you mean. I wasn't thinking about the portal headers; I was emulating the links that appear at the tops of most page sections (such as this one). I've reverted to your version. —

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is a more logical location for the notice, given the fact that its users are the ones who would be most affected by the redesign. Also, this would be far less likely to annoy uninterested users. —

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the Main Page Redesign was bogged down in the consensus-building approach, which has dragged on for weeks. Productivity exploded during Round 6's mult-draft feedback session, which I implemented,

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Okay, but it's a heck of a coincidence that you declared an "open editing session" less than two hours after I complained. I noted the correlation once before, and you didn't attempt to refute it.

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No Ezhiki. He counted very well. And speaking about his fine contributor and high-quality edits....So much to speak about them....I know he hates Poland and me also but..."This piece of trash" ???

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Are you joking me? Tell me how #1 Nominating your sub-pages for deletion, #2 Informing you of that, #3 Opening an RfC, #4 Informing you of that, and #5 responding to your uncivility is uncivil. --

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I'm not aware of any code that can be used to accomplish this in the other browsers. (In fact, I wasn't aware of the Mozilla code until now.) My understanding (based upon what I've been told by

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I guess I could've skipped the analogy, but my main point is that I was trying to alert Swatjester of the users' past. As I said in my above response, this is one of the things I did incorrectly.

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So it seems then that we are agreed that straw polls are only useful in standardization proposals, to find out which standard is the most popular. That is precisely what my earlier example was.

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My personal opinion would be that nominations from the latter category are rare enough that a separate process isn't needed. Hence, my preference for PFD. Other thoughts welcome. Radiant_: -->

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While that may be true by technical definition, when most people think of voting they mean an explicit bulleted list of people saying 'support' or 'oppose'. That is bad for all the reasons at

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impacts I have had on the community (interestingly enough, it is a bit funny to note that most of opposition has not even touched the stuff I put out yet; seemingly, everyone is ignoring it).

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If Adrian was proposing a system of permanent template forks, I misunderstood; I thought that this was merely a means of transitioning articles from one version of a template to another. —

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I don't believe that Locke's intentions are bad. Regardless of who's right, this is a content dispute, not harassment. Locke believes that you've made inappropriate changes to various

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defines a "rule of thumb" as "a useful principle having wide application but not intended to be strictly accurate or reliable in every situation." That's precisely what these rules are.

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I'd prefer you respond on my talk page. As I said before, I really did everything in my power to attempt to generate discussion before making the edits. My new templates were patterned

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It is possible that Firefox released the image into the PD to the Open Clipart library to be distributed with Firefox for software packages that only distribute entirely free material.

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The part about the compression artifacts is correct, but the part about the file size is not; it often would be increased in a straight conversion, but not "always." For example, see

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three of you. I am deeply apologetic if by my posts I have created or widened any rift amongst you - that was certainly not my intent. I am going to assume that we are continuing to

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Although, I do agree that some of the images with different aspect ratios should be resized a little bit, but not to the degree that it affects the readability of the text. Thanks.

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sidebox... I never thought for a second that a fellow editor and an administrator of all people would accuse me of vandalism and put me on the stake for such a simple little issue.

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Each template should have one active version (except during the type of short-term transition period that we suggested to Netoholic). If behind-the-scenes development is desired,

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The benefit of such a preliminary run-off would be that talent would have come out of the woodwork, and we probably would have wound up with a lot better design than we have now.

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Again, this is not a subject of "debate." No offense, but your unfamiliarity with the established protocols and desire to codify everything are indicative of your inexperience.

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Thanks! I'm a bit concerned with that ugly number. But it might be ok for starting a broader discussion. I'm thinking about starting a page under the Knowledge namespace. Maybe

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and revert). His contributions are as inconsistent as Alex Rodriguez's batting average with runners in scoring position. Blueboy needs to work on this and not be so sensitive.

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Okay, I guess not "always." Perhaps that was hyperbole. Even if the file size is reduced, though, conversion to PNG won't get rid of any compression artifacts in the JPEG.

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as the design for all talk page templates.) Article templates come in variety of colors (blue for cleanup, purple for mergers and splits, etc.), but talk page templates

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Nothing needs to be done about me. It is YOU, Rollosmokes, that needs something done about. I asked you several times to stop reverting my edits. This is the last straw.

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confine it to an arena other than the main page proper (where people who simply want to access the encyclopedia would be affected). —David Levy 03:15, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

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style differences. I feel that we should strive to provide as uniform an appearance as possible among all of the graphical browsers. (I've just posted this comment to

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I'm not saying, "let's all continue to use these templates until we're told not to." I'm saying, "let's be told what not to do, and hopefully no one will try to do it."

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You based your rationale upon a technicality. Jimbo could have reverted the wording, but he didn't. Of course, you're welcome to ask him which version he prefers. —

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disagree with the TfD consensus, but I realize that my opinion is in the vast minority (and therefore must be overridden). Yes, this is frustrating, but such is life.

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such we have to use them as fairuse (and so the image is tagged as such) and that includes that we need to follow the guidelines for following images under fair use.

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The PNG file is larger and has a solid background. We could update it to match the GIF, but it still would be slightly larger (without providing any advantages). —

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I think it to be a "close call", as there are still people voting; I've seen administrators go from 90% to 60% to 75%, and their RFAs have gone similarily to mine.

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Main Page. I felt that it was important to mention that this is part of WikiProject Usability, and that their feedback (not merely their voting) is requested. —

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There is no such debate. The discussion in question was initiated due to your unfamiliarity with our process. That isn't intended as an insult, incidentally.

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Obviously, each up us believes that he's right. You modified the template without prior discussion, and I did the same. I don't know what you want me to say. —

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At this point is where other people might continue to bicker over petty word interpretation. I'm done with this thread. Just please keep template talk pages

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tag does: the actual cleanup process will take a while, and in many cases whoever tags the image does not have the resources to do the cleanup work themselves.

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Oh, and I'm changing the toolbox section internal ordering. I'm not sure where you stand on that; it's the bottom thread at the talk page, if you disagree. --

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With some thirty hours into this there are about thirty users that feel that this was all for naught. Color me naive but I find this unacceptable. I expected

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Thanks for the quick reply, David! I did what you suggested, and if you feel up to it maybe you could lend your support at the proposal page. Thanks again.

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Overall, this reduction is very, very small. Such a tiny benefit is not worth the disadvantage of using an image that displays improperly for some people.

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Thus far, you've failed to corroborate these allegations of wrongdoing. If such evidence exists, please present it as part of the RfC that CFIF filed. —

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You're preaching to the choir, I'm afraid. I strongly agree that the message didn't belong there, and I was very surprised to see that it had been added.

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Is there any policy backing to that block? I don't think there is - there is no proof that that anon is Ghirla - I'll be resetting the block to 24 hours.

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Sorry mate, I had to revert this time. See the talk as to why. I'm happy to discuss changes - but it's an important template so we have to get it right.--

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won't do anything to keep him from bulllying myself or others, I'm going to try mediation. If that doesn't work, he'd better get ready for RfC No. 2.

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By the way, the project could not, by definition, be derailed. Pushed into another round of development, maybe, but "derailed" is nothing but hot air.

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I'm not attempting to be uncivil. I'm simply conveying the reality of the situation. I'm sorry that I'm unable to make that more pleasant than it is.

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Oh! Almost forgot - I'll take "Ditto" to mean that you feel like I've insulted you back, so I'm sorry. Not my intent. Handshakes all around, etc. -

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It'll likely be as succesful as your cases against Rollosmokes and A Man in Black. Hitting me while I'm on vacation, you're a real quality person. --

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Ah yes I just saw it. Awesome. Please let me know if there any new developments regarding this barnstar, or if you ever need assistance in anything.

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The purpose of the template would be to link several articles about court cases dealing with an issue, along with the couple of laws at the centre.

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Nonsense. "Productivity" is not defined by the number of changes or variations, and at no point were users prevented from creating personal drafts.

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What you fail to understand is that you never possessed the authority to restrict editing in the first place (nor did anyone else). This is a wiki.

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Touche, the watchlists would get annoying, but many people have objected to a notice on the actual Main Page itself. We'll have to make so with the

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I did, and I didn't see any incivility. It's possible that I examined edits other than the ones to which you're referring, so please cite them. —

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Plus, I would like to put all those See Also references to other related templates into one template itself to be used in each of those templates.

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My behavior is fine. It is your behavior that needs fine-tuning Rollosmokes. And CFIF, stay out of this one. Rollosmokes is constantly violating

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I saw it before, and I agree, the network name should be spelled "UPN" and only "UPN" (yes I'm straying off topic), but anyways, I'll seek help.

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image was a GIF or PNG, and upload that instead, or get out some graphics software and redraw the image themselves. This is not a trivial task.

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2. Even in GIF format, the file sizes already are very small. The tiny reduction (1KB) is not nearly enough to justify the problem cited above.

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That the deletion debate took that direction is partly my fault. I did not document the new category well enough and so it began to be misused.

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the election. 2. You're missing my latter point. We have numerous "conditional support" (id est "neutral") votes, and we would have received

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You attempted to transform the round into a "full-blown election" (with the "winner" becoming the new main page), and you pinned this shift on

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I'm sorry, but I need you to cite the specific edits in which the user allegedly was uncivil. Otherwise, I'm afraid that I can't help you. —

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perform perfectly on future conflicts. The rest of the reasons for opposition have either been tied to that or my superficial amount of edits.

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For the entries that I'm seeing in this category, that simply isn't a valid option (because they're copyrighted images from official sources).

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i didn't look close and generally think changes on a user's page that one is disputing with as bad form - regardless of the policy involved.

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But again, even if this looks terrific, I oppose the idea of using code for the purpose of generating a style difference in some browsers. —

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CONGRATS!! (And yeah, I agree with Freak. Go for it!) I look foreward to seeing you around _fD pages, and good luck with el mop and broom! -

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about the clipboard jobs (i.e. cut/paste) on his talk page and got no response. Thus, I would support stronger action if this continues. —

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page, provided it stays? If you respond to my user page, please be nicer than last time. You violated the second rule on my talk page, and

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Thank you for your input, David Levy. I will bring your comments to the Communications Committee discussion on this cross-project issue. -

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I agree. The breakdown has remained fairly consistent throughout the process, even when we were inundated with votes from members of the

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before being uploaded. I couldn't find an example at the time, but I thought I'd let you know just in case you were still skeptical. ;-) —

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qualified to judge. Therefore, only an officially issued version (perhaps with obvious compression artifacts removed) should be used. —

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Likewise, thank you very much for participating in the discussion and considering my reasoning. That was a breath of fresh air for me. —

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whereby a new MP is chosen and I believe that it deserves its own attention space. I therefore propose that you start a new page called

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As an aside, he responded on his user page, and he reverted for a 5th time. I'll ammend the 3RR report with his 5th reversion as well. —

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It can be very useful. For example, the AFD templates are often used for Subst to put less strain on the servers or whatever. So adding

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Rolling back a good-faith edit with which you disagree (as though it's vandalism or a newbie test) is inappropriate. The button was

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Hi David. I was writing some comments in regards to the Main page accessibility issue at about the same time you were. If you look at

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I cited the numbers for the sake of convenience. My point is that the corresponding lack of consensus would have killed the redesign.

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I'm sorry, but "I have one revert left, so I win!" is not the most appropriate justification. Can we please not play this game today?

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Congratulations! You'll be a terrific sysop. I've been meaning to get around to creating a user page, and I finally have done so. —

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So it's a more complex image than I originally saw, and that's why it was tagged. My two-second evaluation of the image was incorrect.

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Hello! Thanks for contacting me! I've seen these used by a couple of other sysops so far, and there don't appear to be any problems.

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I left it alone for a while, and I brought it back. Using the full original name shouldn't hurt anyone, and let me reiterate again:

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when you replied. (This shouldn't be controversial, as it doesn't require the creation of a new category.) Did I do this correctly?

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In response to your other concern, as you noted I have tagged about 1,800 images in the past week. I am currently going through the

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actually use your own words and discuss it with me, rather than adding some standard "vandalism" template of which I am undeserving

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Although it resembles the Firefox logo, it lacks a lot of the detail the real image has, making it able to be available in the PD.

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April fool's joke on the Talk page of the Main page. Although the talk page is still part of Knowledge, it is not encyclopedic

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I hereby award you this Barnstar Barnstar for your tireless efforts of improving Knowledge by creating and awarding barnstars.

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Have your editing restrictions been lifted? If so, does this mean that you intend to go right back to template revert warring?

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And is that user an admin? Nope. I don't even believe he thouroughly investigated. Why don't you let David see for himself? --

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I believe that some of your ideas had the potential to generate enough apathy and opposition to render the project nonviable.

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But you are ignoring your own position that you have adamantly proclaimed time and again: that Knowledge is not a democracy.

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standardisation (which is surely a good thing), and I really don't feel like questioning that on an image-by-image basis. --

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Thank you! I changed the date of introduction to January 8 (because that's when you posted the proposal). Thanks again! —

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I don't know the answers to your other questions, and I suggest that you attempt to contact one of the MediaWiki developers.

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In any event, your advice is welcome, and I will try to post uninterrupted replies (such as this one) whenever feasible. —

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It is not a content dispute over changes to templates... it is broad-spectrum harassment. He's followed be to an article (

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that had nothing to do with the template content (it was about using tiny flag icons). This isn't about whether I made "

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In order to fix these JPEGs, someone has to either find that the original image was a GIF or PNG, and upload that instead,

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I think you still haven't understood my point, which is my fault for not explaining clearly enough. I don't particularly

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And the debate isn't about whether/whether not, but exactly how the votes and the comments are going to be interpretted.

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templates, not only on metatemplates. We now also have the situation that if a template (one that is fully conformant to

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if you haven't already, and see the images that have been tagged. You will see that the vast majority need to be redrawn.

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If somebody contacts the Open Clipart library, and gets them to remove the image, then I will change my vote to delete.

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easy to manipulate as PNGs, and the Unisys LZW patents have expired. As of next month, GIF will be a 100% free format.

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I'll try to take a look at the other list sometime tomorrow (although I don't think it is actually my responsibility).

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My understanding is that it's best to avoid embedding one template within another (because of server strain issues). —

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Sure, I'm reverting every single edit you make on the spot. Can you come up with more lies, or are you out of them? --

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He's a user that has been banned for 3 months because he violated an injunction on a pending ArbCom case against him.

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I'm aware of the problems that arose, and that's why I suggested the aforementioned transition scheme to Netoholic. —

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CoolKatt, I really don't get how you can say I'm the one being ridiculous. That whole freakin' RfC is ridiculous. --

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And "I disagree" that the images are a responsible use of resources, or necessary. Shall we revert war over it? --

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contain this problem. People should update to newer versions, but it is unreasonable to expect everyone to do this.

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Rollosmokes keeps reverting my edits, despite being told to stop. I need your help, I can't take anymore from him.

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All right, I checked through the yes votes and tagged a few. I won't argue with you because its just not worth it.

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Indeed, I don't see any incivility on the part of CFIF. (The mere act of disagreeing with you is not uncivil.) —

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want to waste my time going through every entry (that's what I meant by non-thorough, I just look for red flags )

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Let me clarify as it was told to me because I cannot find the exact discussion: the issue has to do with how the

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Once again, that is incorrect. I'll quote the original proposal for MFD, from the archive I pointed out earlier.

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How do you uninstall it? I can't seen to find it in the programs list under the control panel on Win2K. Thanks.

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article placement (because it obvious doesn't make sense to refer readers to a page that they're looking at). —

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in the section about Talk pages. We'll see if someone points us to a better page for the concept. Thanks.

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I intend to protect the draft and the featured picture templates before the election begins. In my opinion,

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Yes, my plan is coming to fruition. Soon my agents will have fully infiltrated the cabal. Mwa-ha-ha-ha. --

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Okay, so then it seems we are in agreement that VFD was renamed to remove the term "voting" from its title.

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That's not gonna do it because it will be in the page history forever, so you could face a serious block. --

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is correct. Wikibooks is not the free library. Wikisource contains both source texts and data tables (like

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Believe it or not, I just spent almost two hours cleaning up the mess made by the newbies who followed the

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Not to mention that Rollosmokes' constant reversions of my edits are also vandalism as I described above.

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I would like to apologize for my hasty first posting regarding this revert. I was inapprpriately rude. -

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This page is getting to be non-navigable. The issue at hand is seems to have become one of deciding the

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Removing Belarusan spelling from Belarusan articles and putting Russian spellings instead. For example,

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which is harder to read when compared to the smaller image size and more horizontal space for the text:

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Ok, 'fair nuff though from the timestamps I was looking like it looked like the WC scores were live --

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I'm not "afraid," but we need to pick our battles. As I said, we've received a very strong turnout. —

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The free library" is a Wikisource decision (in all languages, by the way), not a Knowledge decision.

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That worked, thank you mate! I really didn't need it anyway, I have a link to Google in my toolbar.

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information but its primary use is in conjunction with subst. I am rewording my messages to: "This

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That's the idea to which you eventually switched, and it made absolutely no sense. We did almost

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that. If we're going to have them, though, we should get the crispest, cleanest versions we can. —

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for "game$ how marathon." What led you to believe that the latter was the official spelling? —

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You didn't answer my question. I understand why it's beneficial to advertise the election, but

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What he said. :) If I liked barnstars, I'd give you a large, rotating, blinking monstrosity. --

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And I didn't open the draft because of your complaints. I don't even remember you complaining.

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racist ethnic generalizations and accuasion of incivility on behalf of the entire Polish nation

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Why would someone have converted a GIF file or PNG file to the JPEG format before uploading it?

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continue this conversation here, instead of having to copy it over to my talk page as well.) —

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No, that's not at all what I said. I said that after a guideline to standardize something is

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Part of me wishes that Jimbo would step in and unilaterally settle this once and for all. —

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one entry but not others either in the same entry (passive verb) or others in the template.

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Someone has put the picture of a penis on the main page. Please revert if you can. HELP! --

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and was stiffled again during the next open editing session due to excessive reversion. --

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And yes, I did create the Rosetta barnstar image. Thanks very much for your kind words! —

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I cited an example of a recent situation in which I found myself in a similar position. I

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No problem! I realize how easy it is to overlook messages on a cluttered talk page. :) —

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Is the SisterProject template on Knowledge using slogans or descriptions for all projects?

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For your tireless efforts in maintaining, watching, explaining, and otherwise helping the

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Not so fast. He's now editing here, making the same changes in the Bronx Science article:

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relevant to the template. Nonetheless, I have respected your request by replying here. —

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Here's an example of someone converting an image to a JPEG before uploading to Knowledge:

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and so is part of the Knowledge project rather than the encyclopaedic content." and "This

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to switch to a file that's 3.86 times larger and broken for 85% of users. The SVG -: -->

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Robin has been a sysop since 4 August 2004. He's listed in the "Semi-active" section. —

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More examples of his vandalism include the constant changing to UPN's full name in both

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space, but I'm hoping it is close enough. Differences from the current page can be seen

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are demonstrating remarkable restraint - a perseverance that sometimes eludes me. ;-)

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No, they are not. I wonder where you got that idea from? For reference, I can cite you

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Yes, they get to select their slogan, but we don't have to feature it on our main page.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Izehar&diff=next&oldid=33244436

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I am not referring to any one browser in particular. For example, older versions of

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David, you may be an administrator, but you need to stop abusing your "authority".

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I also appreciate your efforts in keeping April Fools joke out of the encyclopedia.-

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I suggest that you observe any of the project pages on which such discussions occur.

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templatize it, tone down the wording, and wait for someone else to pull the plug. —

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Is this actually happening? Is Netoholic lecturing me about template reversions? —

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to accept or decline the nomination. A page has been created for your nomination at

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nobody for national office gets anything over 51- 60% or so, no matter what. There

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Thanks, hopefully this proposal can be moved forward because it's a great idea. --

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replacing the main page (to prevent innocent bystanders from being dragged in). —

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I have no intention of deliberately insulting anyone; my questions are sincere. —

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have been made. Again, feel free to raise the issue at Knowledge:Deletion review.

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And after you came along, the project was steered off-course and nearly capsized.

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And FYI, the spacing was different in each of the three browsers that I tried. —

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Ghirla seems VERY disturbed with his block. Do you think he should be unblocked?

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You asked two questions, only one had to do with the template. I answered it. --

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Anyway, forget about it and him and carry on gauging consensus; after all, what

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Gratz teh adminship. Now back-stab them all by changing your name back, lol. —

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is desirable. As I mentioned above, however, these particular templates should

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Perhaps it was a mistake to undelete the category. To-reiterate why I did that:

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Now, after having said all that, I should also remark that I am not a lawyer. —

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They are not in violation; I am just marking them to let people be aware of it.

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Don't be disheartened. We're on the same side. You should lighten up a bit.

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dispute. Please do not encourage that behavior by implying it's all right. --

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Funnily enough, I was in the process of adding an optional date parameter to

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accusations of Russophobia, nationalism and of having said what I never did.

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I think the term here is "violent agreement". Sorry for the inconvenience.

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only counting the votes and not analyzing theit content. I'm sorry for my

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Even so, no policy provides for a doubling of a 3RR block for evading it.

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On what basis does en.Knowledge ignore another WMF project's description?

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a reversion. (We define reverting as "undoing the essence of a change,"

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withdrawn as a sign of good will by Lysy after the revert war was stopped

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Please keep your sincere personal criticisms to a private talk page. --

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Perhaps you should spend more than two seconds evaluating each image. :)

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Otherwise, they may collectively come across as a long-winded diatribe.

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concerned by that, and want to lock down the details of how this works.

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It doesn't involve me either. Please take your argument elsewhere. —

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Suffice it to say, I disagree with your assessment, as do most of the

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given to you to make your edit-warring easier and more convenient. —

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Note that the section in question is entitled "Rules of thumb." The

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te dejo y, por favor, colabora con muchos artículos nuevos. Gracias.

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here (this one changing to UPN's full name that is not used anymore)

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On what basis does en.Knowledge ignore another WMF project's slogan?

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I opened it up based on results obtained in the Help Page redesign.

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what is the benefit of including the premature numerical vote tally?

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misunderstand your proposal, which I now strongly oppose. Sorry. —

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when you posted the above message. As I mentioned there, this is a

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Thanks again for using my templates and taking the time to write! —

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As I referenced in my edit summary, none of these templates use the

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I have to agree here - this seems like an attempt to provoke Neto.

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Round 5 of the Main Page Redesign is now in an "open-editing" phase

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It also uglifies articles and drags readers into editors' disputes.

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Or one of them, anyway. (That's why I rolled back your edits.) —

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Another user investigated, and found some wrongdoing by CFIF. OK?

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Calling names, ad hominem attacks and usage of offensive language

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or get out some graphics software and redraw the image themselves.

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shouldn't be objectionable to anyone other than anti-Semites). —

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More likely what happened was something like this: Let's look at

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Well, I searched a number of places and couldn't find it. I've

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I didn't add any vandalism. I simply reverted your removal of a

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I've edited the header to have consistant terminology with all.

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Apologies for not seeing the message. I've noticed it now. :) -

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to use, acting differently because he/she read your notation? —

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Except you aren't allowed to make legal threats at Knowledge: (

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Here's hoping that their attention span is... well, you know.

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opposition to install the new design. Our job is almost done.

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You've implied it. Why else would we display the percentages?

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I guess I wont say anything until it's done and then complain!

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Not a problem. I've switched back and am cleaning up now. --

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Knowledge:WikiProject Usability/Main page selection procedure

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to choose from - what's the problem with the PNG version? --

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No offense, but that's utterly preposterous. Again, we did

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fingerprint, I think the diff is all of the missing stuff.

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Check out Heretohelp's announcement on the Community Portal

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onto the article, which would be best avoided at all costs.

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Knowledge:Administrators'_noticeboard/3RR#User:Ghirlandajo

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When asked to apologize or stay on topic, he replied with

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large number of Jewish RFAs of late...! חנוכה שמח ובהצלחה

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I was about to say... The change in username also means a

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more if people had seen multiple drafts and wondered why

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For many super edits to templates, I award you the first

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How to deal with the situation on Stuyvesant High School?

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I believe that my questions (which you've yet to answer)

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I'm not splitting hairs. Anyone can view our talk pages.

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Knowledge:Requests for arbitration/CoolKatt number 99999

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If that's so, you copied an incorrect, anti-wiki method.

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United States vs American Television Networks Categories

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Just talk to him please, I tried, but he won't listen.

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I agree, but I also believe that I'm right. Why don't

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Yes, but they're the type that is explicitly permitted.

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Question concerning change made to the Main_Page draft

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wording, I'm more than willing to discuss them at the

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Let's accuse me some more of something I don't do. --

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will again read "the free library" for Wikisource. --

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and the Main Page talk (and possibly the Signpost).--

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I have a lot to teach people about both subjects. --

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Infobox President. Development should only happen at

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for placement on the article's talk page (hence the "

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Pluto row could lead to Neptune losing planet status

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The 3RR doesn't apply to reversions of vandalism. —

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the better we'll know what modifications are needed.

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Knowledge talk:WikiProject Usability/Main Page/Draft

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objectionable to anyone other than anti-Semites). —

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Knowledge:Requests for adminship/David Levy/Archive2

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To clarify something that might be misunderstood, I

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Category:Images with inappropriate JPEG compression

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Category:Images with inappropriate JPEG compression

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We could use some help making a cool 27:Your help is requested in creating a new template 5250: 1446:_Template:Cleanup-2005-12-13T22:58:00.000Z": --> 1441:_Template:Cleanup-2005-12-13T22:58:00.000Z": --> 1410:http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/m/mx-rgr.gif 335:tags will muck it up because Subst will include 8141:most of us want is to find the right solution. 7868:PS: for comparisons of voice in news coverage: 7117:Knowledge:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents 4728:Template:Announcements/Community bulletin board 4182:Knowledge:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page/Draft 232:but it would be great if it does work with it." 7887:Talks to get Kabila, Bemba to smoke peace pipe 2749:(as well as an interesting explanation of why 201:This is the same with articles and categories. 194:but it would be great if it does work with it. 7745:Much much thanks. 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It makes 6839:This doesn't involve you CFIF. 6472:Rollosmokes is back at it again 5312:Knowledge:Template substitution 4853:Before I came along, there was 4370:Still rough on policies, but... 4232:but it renders badly (overlaps 4197:... and t-shirt collection :) 1728:Why don't you have a user page? 8675:01:00, 29 September 2006 (UTC) 8626:02:08, 28 September 2006 (UTC) 8584:00:27, 28 September 2006 (UTC) 8565:00:14, 28 September 2006 (UTC) 8513:07:50, 20 September 2006 (UTC) 8485:17:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC) 8453:22:57, 18 September 2006 (UTC) 8427:We actually eat this in Canada 8404:20:31, 14 September 2006 (UTC) 8375:20:04, 14 September 2006 (UTC) 8341:19:14, 14 September 2006 (UTC) 8288:17:19, 13 September 2006 (UTC) 8255:17:12, 13 September 2006 (UTC) 8226:16:49, 13 September 2006 (UTC) 7684:New users and Ignore All Rules 6962:Knowledge:Image copyright tags 5985:Read his recent edits please. 5900: 5441:IT IS NOT OUTDATED INFORMATION 5191:Wikisource:Astronomical events 3007:That looks good to me. :-) — 347:to avoid any connotations. -- 13: 1: 8668: 8522:Template:User browser:Firefox 8171:19:04, 8 September 2006 (UTC) 8150:15:31, 8 September 2006 (UTC) 8101:04:49, 2 September 2006 (UTC) 8087:04:40, 2 September 2006 (UTC) 7405:Investigation and Arbitration 7121:in the same image file format 5917: 5621:Template talk:WikipediaSister 5272:New project: April fools page 5025:almost exactly the same thing 4435:Improvements to election page 4422:00:10, 28 February 2006 (UTC) 4396:00:07, 28 February 2006 (UTC) 4353:22:14, 22 February 2006 (UTC) 4335:04:44, 22 February 2006 (UTC) 4315:04:35, 22 February 2006 (UTC) 4280:20:43, 19 February 2006 (UTC) 4260:20:17, 19 February 2006 (UTC) 4205:03:20, 17 February 2006 (UTC) 3348:Thanks for the explanation! 2919:23:37, 31 December 2005 (UTC) 2884:22:21, 30 December 2005 (UTC) 2873:22:08, 30 December 2005 (UTC) 2862:22:02, 30 December 2005 (UTC) 2426:18:40, 30 December 2005 (UTC) 2403:05:21, 29 December 2005 (UTC) 2371:And now created this account 2365:05:14, 29 December 2005 (UTC) 2317:14:09, 28 December 2005 (UTC) 2301:13:25, 28 December 2005 (UTC) 2292:12:56, 28 December 2005 (UTC) 2279:06:32, 28 December 2005 (UTC) 2274: 2267: 2260: 2253:06:22, 28 December 2005 (UTC) 2248: 2241: 2234: 2187:05:40, 28 December 2005 (UTC) 2174:05:24, 28 December 2005 (UTC) 2140:15:39, 28 December 2005 (UTC) 2109:11:13, 24 December 2005 (UTC) 2093:06:45, 24 December 2005 (UTC) 2028:11:15, 24 December 2005 (UTC) 2005:07:20, 24 December 2005 (UTC) 1991:07:09, 24 December 2005 (UTC) 1950:04:04, 24 December 2005 (UTC) 1936:02:52, 24 December 2005 (UTC) 1916:18:05, 23 December 2005 (UTC) 1840:04:07, 22 December 2005 (UTC) 1827:04:04, 22 December 2005 (UTC) 1808:00:46, 21 December 2005 (UTC) 1764:05:11, 20 December 2005 (UTC) 1738:11:36, 17 December 2005 (UTC) 1710:08:37, 15 December 2005 (UTC) 1605:08:30, 15 December 2005 (UTC) 1573:08:27, 15 December 2005 (UTC) 1523:08:14, 15 December 2005 (UTC) 1495:08:10, 15 December 2005 (UTC) 1478:08:07, 15 December 2005 (UTC) 1462:08:06, 15 December 2005 (UTC) 1434:23:29, 11 December 2005 (UTC) 1417:18:37, 12 December 2005 (UTC) 1370:02:40, 12 December 2005 (UTC) 1344:02:18, 12 December 2005 (UTC) 1281:02:10, 12 December 2005 (UTC) 1271:01:49, 12 December 2005 (UTC) 1246:01:29, 12 December 2005 (UTC) 1236:01:09, 12 December 2005 (UTC) 1218:Second, consider an example: 1210:00:47, 12 December 2005 (UTC) 1200:23:42, 11 December 2005 (UTC) 1190:23:29, 11 December 2005 (UTC) 1164:21:11, 11 December 2005 (UTC) 1131:20:37, 11 December 2005 (UTC) 992:. I just converted it to a 958:18:47, 11 December 2005 (UTC) 908:Image:05 WSOP logo edited.jpg 870:07:18, 11 December 2005 (UTC) 749:07:07, 28 November 2005 (UTC) 717:00:27, 28 November 2005 (UTC) 644:15:41, 15 November 2005 (UTC) 631:14:37, 15 November 2005 (UTC) 598:04:44, 21 November 2005 (UTC) 581:04:36, 21 November 2005 (UTC) 453:Cat:Knowledge self-references 8499: 8179:Change to Template:Guideline 8119:Some support from an opposer 7604:Sizes of the main page image 6823:What the real problem is is 5424:Link to Azerbaijani language 5125:Poll results reporting reply 4150:06:11, 5 February 2006 (UTC) 4118:05:54, 5 February 2006 (UTC) 4086:05:24, 5 February 2006 (UTC) 4055:17:29, 4 February 2006 (UTC) 4018:01:04, 5 February 2006 (UTC) 3999:13:07, 4 February 2006 (UTC) 3972:07:09, 4 February 2006 (UTC) 3932:01:41, 28 January 2006 (UTC) 3908:23:36, 27 January 2006 (UTC) 3878:00:38, 26 January 2006 (UTC) 3856:21:50, 25 January 2006 (UTC) 3816:09:15, 21 January 2006 (UTC) 3768:09:10, 21 January 2006 (UTC) 3729:09:06, 21 January 2006 (UTC) 3692:09:01, 21 January 2006 (UTC) 3663:08:54, 21 January 2006 (UTC) 3630:08:49, 21 January 2006 (UTC) 3608:08:37, 21 January 2006 (UTC) 3588:08:32, 21 January 2006 (UTC) 3572:08:27, 21 January 2006 (UTC) 3553:07:02, 21 January 2006 (UTC) 3532:05:53, 20 January 2006 (UTC) 3506:22:50, 18 January 2006 (UTC) 3467:22:45, 18 January 2006 (UTC) 3427:07:07, 17 January 2006 (UTC) 3397:03:35, 13 January 2006 (UTC) 3362:00:16, 13 January 2006 (UTC) 1513:on the topic of the template 1443:Template:Cleanup-date -: --> 846:14:09, 3 December 2005 (UTC) 800:01:22, 2 December 2005 (UTC) 785:01:16, 2 December 2005 (UTC) 568:12:29, 5 November 2005 (UTC) 513:21:29, 31 October 2005 (UTC) 460:15:22, 24 October 2005 (UTC) 406:18:42, 23 October 2005 (UTC) 352:18:19, 23 October 2005 (UTC) 319:17:57, 23 October 2005 (UTC) 218:17:17, 23 October 2005 (UTC) 177:23:23, 22 October 2005 (UTC) 163:22:30, 22 October 2005 (UTC) 131:American Heritage Dictionary 7: 8858:18:42, 3 October 2006 (UTC) 8825:15:14, 3 October 2006 (UTC) 8796:14:19, 3 October 2006 (UTC) 8727:13:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC) 8063:18:57, 31 August 2006 (UTC) 8035:13:30, 31 August 2006 (UTC) 8014:13:15, 31 August 2006 (UTC) 7997:13:09, 31 August 2006 (UTC) 7979:13:00, 31 August 2006 (UTC) 7949:15:50, 27 August 2006 (UTC) 7918:03:35, 27 August 2006 (UTC) 7862:02:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC) 7846:19:32, 26 August 2006 (UTC) 7825:02:29, 21 August 2006 (UTC) 7762:00:42, 20 August 2006 (UTC) 7739:05:36, 17 August 2006 (UTC) 7673:19:26, 26 August 2006 (UTC) 7520:policy against WikiStalking 7496:WATL, Rollosmokes, and CFIF 5873: 5043:(assuming that it will be). 4165:Nice job on Main Page tweek 3862:main page redesign template 3327:19:50, 4 January 2006 (UTC) 3310:02:44, 4 January 2006 (UTC) 3292:02:31, 4 January 2006 (UTC) 3249:22:33, 3 January 2006 (UTC) 3215:22:28, 3 January 2006 (UTC) 3186:22:21, 3 January 2006 (UTC) 3143:21:59, 3 January 2006 (UTC) 3094:21:42, 3 January 2006 (UTC) 3077:21:40, 3 January 2006 (UTC) 3060:21:26, 3 January 2006 (UTC) 3038:21:17, 3 January 2006 (UTC) 3027:20:59, 3 January 2006 (UTC) 3020:Knowledge:Template versions 3012:19:57, 3 January 2006 (UTC) 2837:Knowledge:Three-revert rule 1408:, which was converted from 912:Image:103 qvgd millions.jpg 108:19:57, 8 October 2005 (UTC) 90:12:36, 7 October 2005 (UTC) 43:05:37, 7 October 2005 (UTC) 10: 8874: 7712:17:41, 3 August 2006 (UTC) 7699:15:59, 3 August 2006 (UTC) 7384:User:CoolKatt number 99999 6957:Knowledge:Image use policy 6665:01:43, 5 August 2006 (UTC) 6519:Knowledge:No legal threats 5822:23:40, 23 April 2006 (UTC) 5750:22:46, 23 April 2006 (UTC) 5728:17:54, 23 April 2006 (UTC) 5713:14:44, 23 April 2006 (UTC) 5688:01:48, 13 April 2006 (UTC) 5533:16:19, 17 April 2006 (UTC) 5452:18:21, 16 April 2006 (UTC) 5318:08:05, 26 March 2006 (UTC) 5266:03:13, 20 March 2006 (UTC) 5240:00:23, 21 March 2006 (UTC) 5206:18:02, 19 March 2006 (UTC) 5117:18:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC) 5108:16:45, 12 March 2006 (UTC) 5093:20:55, 12 March 2006 (UTC) 5088:plans is irresponsible. — 5083:18:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC) 5062:17:48, 12 March 2006 (UTC) 4958:18:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC) 4927:18:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC) 4878:18:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC) 3052:template:Infobox President 2296:Congrats on adminship! -- 1835:You're very welcome. :) — 1775:Well then, in that vein... 1452:don't make things personal 943:Image:Call for Help US.jpg 663:were patronising at best." 210:Would that be a good idea? 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Great. 932:Image:20th Television.jpg 8160:the whole correspondence 7462:Oh i see, my apoligies. 7364:CoolKatt (block evasion) 7279:exceptions to every rule 6993:06:26, 8 July 2006 (UTC) 6853:15:46, 6 June 2006 (UTC) 6844:15:36, 6 June 2006 (UTC) 6835:15:12, 6 June 2006 (UTC) 6819:10:10, 6 June 2006 (UTC) 6807:02:20, 5 June 2006 (UTC) 6774:02:08, 5 June 2006 (UTC) 6765:02:04, 5 June 2006 (UTC) 6704:02:41, 2 June 2006 (UTC) 6693:more than 77,000 results 6642:04:52, 3 June 2006 (UTC) 6585:20:37, 2 June 2006 (UTC) 6561:19:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC) 6550:18:44, 30 May 2006 (UTC) 6538:18:43, 30 May 2006 (UTC) 6533:Fine, I will remove it. 6529:18:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC) 6513:18:41, 30 May 2006 (UTC) 6487:06:27, 26 May 2006 (UTC) 6450:19:02, 24 May 2006 (UTC) 6441:19:00, 24 May 2006 (UTC) 6406:06:30, 21 May 2006 (UTC) 6377:06:25, 21 May 2006 (UTC) 6367:Could you lend me a hand 6339:22:27, 17 May 2006 (UTC) 6327:22:22, 17 May 2006 (UTC) 6318:22:16, 17 May 2006 (UTC) 6271:22:08, 17 May 2006 (UTC) 6223:22:05, 17 May 2006 (UTC) 6178:22:03, 17 May 2006 (UTC) 6141:21:57, 17 May 2006 (UTC) 6103:21:48, 17 May 2006 (UTC) 6053:21:45, 17 May 2006 (UTC) 6028:21:38, 17 May 2006 (UTC) 6007:21:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC) 5990:21:30, 17 May 2006 (UTC) 5977:21:29, 17 May 2006 (UTC) 5961:03:22, 10 May 2006 (UTC) 5956:Nevermind, it is solved 4962:1. 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