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638:"link=" stuff has been written by a single editor without any regard for what copyright law says, and totally without consensus.) I have time after time pointed out better technical solutions that would make things better for our blind readers, but the usability people don't want those solutions. Those methods would make the usage of "
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That's fine; I don't have any issue with discussion. So, what objective reason for keeping it centered does anyone have, that trumps the two objective reasons I've already given for left-justifying it? "It's been that way for a while" doesn't really qualify (all progress on everything, world-wide,
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That's not what I meant. I care for usability way more than you think. I have had friends that were deaf or blind. And I have worked as a computer teacher at the main hospital in my city, teaching disabled people to use computers and fixing adaptations so they can use computers. (And the reason I
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You are requesting that we add a second name for the "header" parameter. That means we have to support both names forever, and it means the code will be harder to edit forever. Unless someone does the huge effort to edit all pages that use this template. I don't see you offering to do that work.
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So you are right that "heading" is slightly more correct here, but "header" is not always invisible meta-data, it is only in computer communications and similar that "header" is something the users don't see. And in HTML tables we put the heading in the "header cells". So the difference is only
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I know what I'm requesting, me being me and the request being mine. The objection raised is trivial. There is no "bloat" or "difficulty" at play since these templates are utterly simplistic. I've already explained why there's a need to change it: "header" is
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Please replace all instances of "|Notice" with "|link=|alt=" because by default no text appears when hovering over the image. Also, add another space after "textstyle" so the "=" line up. Thank you.
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